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[airtime143]

F you. You call me names because I made a mistake? (Possibly)

My recollection was Rivers criticized Jay for exact same injury. I don’t keep a journal of Philip Rivers’ medical history.

Dont be a vagina.

Look at your butt-hurt all caps assertation that you build the foundation of your argument on.
If you are soooooo mad about teflon rivers because of that incident... get the facts right.
Otherwise you look like a dumbass.

Now that we cleared up that part of your stupidity... I highly doubt rivers had a comment on the nfccg injury Jay suffered.
Feel free to bring in a link... but I think you are probably just misremembering that as well.

 

[PrideisBears]

Lol dont be a vagina is now one of my favorite quotes

 

[PrideisBears]

Dont be a vagina.

Look at your butt-hurt all caps assertation that you build the foundation of your argument on.
If you are soooooo mad about teflon rivers because of that incident... get the facts right.
Otherwise you look like a dumbass.

Now that we cleared up that part of your stupidity... I highly doubt rivers had a comment on the nfccg injury Jay suffered.
Feel free to bring in a link... but I think you are probably just misremembering that as well.

Just to be fair

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoo...rivers-id-have-to-be-taken-off-in-a-cart/amp/

 

[TL1961]

Your perception is wrong, very wrong, horribly wrong and surely you saw other edge rushers listed in there that do the same. Mack even did the same in Oakland and the numbers are down. He has spent nowhere near the amount of time in pass coverage that you think he has. With the Bears, he has been rushing the passer on 85.6% of pass plays.

First, I give you what you ask for, cause I'm nice like that. You want the PRP, which combines sacks, hits and hurries relative to how many times they actually rush the passer. This is a type % PFF does. The way they come about it is players get a half point for all QB hits and all hurries and you add them together and then add sacks (full point)then divide by the number of snaps in which they were rushing the passer. Mack falls right outside the top 10. In his DPOY year, his PRP was 10.7, second to only Von Miller who was just .1 higher. This year it is 8.8 which rates at #12. Donald has an 11.5 PRP.

Say you don't like Hurries and you don't like PFF. No problem, we can just go by sacks and QB hits which free sites provide. In 2016, Mack had a total of 26 QB hits (including sacks). That tied him for 2nd place with Atkins and Avril. Donald led with 31.

In 2017, Mack had 22 which put him in a tie at #16. Chandler Jones led the league with a total of 33. DPOY, Aaron Donald, had 27.

This year, Aaron Donald leads with 33 and Mack has just 12 (not even the most on his team) which ties him with others at #45. See a slight drop off?

Can also look at Tackles for Loss. 2016 Mack had 14, tying him with several others at #12. Kerrigan led with 18. Donald had 17 tied with Jordan, Bosa, Vernon and David. This year Mack has 7 TFL tying him with many others at #68. Donald leads the league with 20.

This is why Belichick laughed when asked if Mack compared to LT. If you're looking for the one defensive player to compare to LT, it would be Donald. 2 different positions, yes, but both are trend setters. After a coked up LT did what he did and was then allowed to roam to pick his spots every team wanted that type player. He redefined the OLB position just as Aaron Donald is redefining his.

So, essentially, what you are saying with a couple thousand words, is - Mack has not had a huge positive impact on the Bears' D?

And that our eyes are lying to us.

Maybe we can talk Gruden into taking him back.

 

[Britbuffguy]

Lol @ the last paragraph. There are many examples of premier pass rushers playing very well into their 30's.

The hyperbole is thick in here and it stinks.

He's just a dumb troll. All he does is bash the Bears and their players 24-7.


It has been awesome watching the Bears be so good, while he continues to cry like a little girl about how awful they are regardless.

 

[TL1961]

Dont be a vagina.

Look at your butt-hurt all caps assertation that you build the foundation of your argument on.
If you are soooooo mad about teflon rivers because of that incident... get the facts right.
Otherwise you look like a dumbass.

Now that we cleared up that part of your stupidity... I highly doubt rivers had a comment on the nfccg injury Jay suffered.
Feel free to bring in a link... but I think you are probably just misremembering that as well.

So, what you are saying is.....I recall Rivers criticizing Cutler, and you don't. And because I did not link it, it could not have happened, because YOU don't remember it. Is that it?

Rivers did criticize Cutler, as did Maurice Jones-Drew (who sat out two games with a knee injury while his team was trying to clinch a playoff spot. (Except I am not including a link, therefore it could not possibly have happened)

There is nothing stupid at all. Rivers sat out the second half after his knee injury (Billy Volek finished), and came back to play terribly and cost his team the game the following week.

And criticized Cutler for not finishing.The fact that YOU doubt he had a comment really means absolutely nothing.

 

[PrideisBears]

And Suggs had 11 sacks and 4 FFs just last year.

Not bad at all for a guy in the twilight of his career. I would never argue they stay elite well into their 30's. Rather, it's very possible to play high level productive football as a pass rusher late in their career's.

Peppers is somewhat of an ageless freak. Like Fitzgerald or Frank Gore. Rare breed.

I think it's also important to note that a good majority of pass rushers who do end up up playing well later on on are not guys who's career's depended solely on speed to bend the edge. Those are the guys that seem to fade quicker because when they lose that step they have nothing to fall back on.

Dumervil did somewhat rely on speed but he played with insane leverage because of his lack of height.

Thankfully, Mack isn't what you'd consider a speed rusher.

So, what you are saying is.....I recall Rivers criticizing Cutler, and you don't. And because I did not link it, it could not have happened, because YOU don't remember it. Is that it?

Rivers did criticize Cutler, as did Maurice Jones-Drew (who sat out two games with a knee injury while his team was trying to clinch a playoff spot. (Except I am not including a link, therefore it could not possibly have happened)

There is nothing stupid at all. Rivers sat out the second half after his knee injury (Billy Volek finished), and came back to play terribly and cost his team the game the following week.

And criticized Cutler for not finishing.The fact that YOU doubt he had a comment really means absolutely nothing.

I sent provided the Rivers link. MJD sat out with turf toe, not a knee injury

 

[TL1961]

Just to be fair

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoo...rivers-id-have-to-be-taken-off-in-a-cart/amp/

Hmmmm......so Philip Rivers DID criticize Cutler?

Just like some if us remembered? Some of us "stupid" people.

 

[TL1961]

Jones Drew, missed games with knee injury -

http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=5974388

 

[mecha]

Just as a point of reference -

This is when Rivers suffered the same injury that Cutler later suffered in 2010 against the Packers. When Cutler left the game at halftime, Rivers publicly ripped him and said "I would never leave a playoff game with that injury", when, in fact, that is exactly what he did - left a playoff game with the very same injury. To his credit, somewhat, after a week's time to allow the swelling to subside and to have it treated, he played in the following week's game. But he was so bad he essentially guaranteed the opponent a win. But when he made the comments after Cutler's injury - HE CAUGHT NO FLAK!!

The guy is wrapped in Teflon for some reason.

I have watched NFL football for a lot of years, and have never seen a QB - or any player for that matter - who cries to refs and calls out teammates even half as much as this douchebag. And he never gets criticized.

had to scroll back to this lol

Rivers was a pretty big loudmouth blowhard back in the day. I'll never forget that SNF game to close out the 2008 season when they were all acting like total shitheads to Cutler and he was crying on the sideline. :lmao:

I don't particularly understand how he got away with that shit either.

 

[PrideisBears]

Jones Drew, missed games with knee injury -

http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=5974388

I believe his missed games with turf toe that season as well

 

[TL1961]

Rivers has been a douchebag since Day 1, and seems to never get called on it.

By this point, since Eli and Ben have two Super Bowl victories apiece and Rivers has had almost zero playoff success and has been largely forgotten for a decade, people almost feel sorry for him.

 

[TL1961]

I believe his missed games with turf toe that season as well

MJD did play the season with a knee injury, and should be complimented for that. My issue is that immediately AFTER missing the final two games when hi steam needed him, he criticized another NFL player publicly for not being on the field when his team needed him.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

So, essentially, what you are saying with a couple thousand words, is - Mack has not had a huge positive impact on the Bears' D?

And that our eyes are lying to us.

Maybe we can talk Gruden into taking him back.

Don’t be a vagina. I haven’t said anything that’s false.

 

[TL1961]

Don’t be a vagina. I haven’t said anything that’s false.

I am just wondering why you are hell bent on telling us Mack has not impacted the Bears.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I am just wondering why you are hell bent on telling us Mack has not impacted the Bears.

Because he really hasn’t so let’s give Hicks and Jackson all the credit you peeps have been wasting on Mack.

 

[Milton Waddams]

Many of the great pass rushers got a lot of sacks after age 30:

BRUCE SMITH - 108 of his 200 sacks (54%)
REGGIE WHITE - 90 of his 198 sacks (45%)
KEVIN GREENE - 97.5 of his 160 sacks (61%)
JULIUS PEPPERS - 77.5 of his 158.5 sacks (49%)
CHRIS DOLEMAN - 93 of his 150.5 sacks (62%)

MICHAEL STRAHAN - 64.5 of his 141.5 sacks (46%)
JASON TAYLOR - 68.5 of his 139.5 sacks (49%)
DEMARCUS WARE - 39 of his 138.5 sacks (28%)
JOHN RANDLE - 57 of his 137.5 sacks (41%)
RICHARD DENT - 44.5 of his 137.5 sacks (32%)

JARED ALLEN - 31 of his 136 sacks (23%)
JOHN ABRAHAM - 66 of his 133.5 sacks (49%)
LAWRENCE TAYLOR - 43.5 of his 132.5 sacks (33%)
TERRELL SUGGS - 50 of his 132.5 sacks (38%)
DWIGHT FREENEY - 41.5 of his 125.5 sacks (33%)
ROBERT MATHIS - 49 of his 123 sacks (40%)

Mack is 27. He has 10 sacks. He missed two games (vs NYJ & @ BUF). He was hobbled in two more (@ MIA & vs NE). He turns 28 in February. So he has 2 full seasons before he hits 30. If you include sack #'s for the above player's 28 & 29-yr-old seasons, it would REALLY skew favorable. These guys tend to age well. The other players currently in Mack's age group/sack range are also playing really well at the same age:

AARON DONALD (27) - 16.5 sacks
DEE FORD (27) - 11.5 sacks
CHANDLER JONES (28) - 12 sacks
CAMERON JORDAN (29) - 12 sacks
VON MILLER (29) - 14.5 sacks
JJ WATT (29) - 14.5 sacks
JASON PIERRE-PAUL (29) - 11.5 sacks

 

[Bearly]

You appear mixed up or dumb.
Rivers had a torn acl. Not a sprained mcl. Surgery and an off season of rehab.
LT was the one with a sprained mcl...a little more severe on a running back than a qb.

Maybe you forgot that he came back into the game in the 2nd 1/2 after getting injured in the 1st, played on it and realised he couldn't throw properly because his plant leg knee would move before finally sitting down for the day. Is it warrior spirit or idiot spirit when you tough it out only to be ineffective. I'm not Jay fan or apologist but we also lose that game with Jay playing. This is more about dumping on him that it is about football. Had we won and he had some time to get a proper brace etc, he may have been able to go the next week.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

many of the great pass rushers got a lot of sacks after age 30:

Bruce smith - 108 of his 200 sacks (54%)
reggie white - 90 of his 198 sacks (45%)
kevin greene - 97.5 of his 160 sacks (61%)
julius peppers - 77.5 of his 158.5 sacks (49%)
chris doleman - 93 of his 150.5 sacks (62%)

michael strahan - 64.5 of his 141.5 sacks (46%)
jason taylor - 68.5 of his 139.5 sacks (49%)
demarcus ware - 39 of his 138.5 sacks (28%)
john randle - 57 of his 137.5 sacks (41%)
richard dent - 44.5 of his 137.5 sacks (32%)

jared allen - 31 of his 136 sacks (23%)
john abraham - 66 of his 133.5 sacks (49%)
lawrence taylor - 43.5 of his 132.5 sacks (33%)
terrell suggs - 50 of his 132.5 sacks (38%)
dwight freeney - 41.5 of his 125.5 sacks (33%)
robert mathis - 49 of his 123 sacks (40%)

mack is 27. He has 10 sacks. He missed two games (vs nyj & @ buf). He was hobbled in two more (@ mia & vs ne). He turns 28 in february. So he has 2 full seasons before he hits 30. If you include sack #'s for the above player's 28 & 29-yr-old seasons, it would really skew favorable. These guys tend to age well. The other players currently in mack's age group/sack range are also playing really well at the same age:

Aaron donald (27) - 16.5 sacks
dee ford (27) - 11.5 sacks
chandler jones (28) - 12 sacks
cameron jordan (29) - 12 sacks
von miller (29) - 14.5 sacks
jj watt (29) - 14.5 sacks
jason pierre-paul (29) - 11.5 sacks

#rbshelflife

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Many of the great pass rushers got a lot of sacks after age 30:

BRUCE SMITH - 108 of his 200 sacks (54%)
REGGIE WHITE - 90 of his 198 sacks (45%)
KEVIN GREENE - 97.5 of his 160 sacks (61%)
JULIUS PEPPERS - 77.5 of his 158.5 sacks (49%)
CHRIS DOLEMAN - 93 of his 150.5 sacks (62%)

MICHAEL STRAHAN - 64.5 of his 141.5 sacks (46%)
JASON TAYLOR - 68.5 of his 139.5 sacks (49%)
DEMARCUS WARE - 39 of his 138.5 sacks (28%)
JOHN RANDLE - 57 of his 137.5 sacks (41%)
RICHARD DENT - 44.5 of his 137.5 sacks (32%)

JARED ALLEN - 31 of his 136 sacks (23%)
JOHN ABRAHAM - 66 of his 133.5 sacks (49%)
LAWRENCE TAYLOR - 43.5 of his 132.5 sacks (33%)
TERRELL SUGGS - 50 of his 132.5 sacks (38%)
DWIGHT FREENEY - 41.5 of his 125.5 sacks (33%)
ROBERT MATHIS - 49 of his 123 sacks (40%)

Mack is 27. He has 10 sacks. He missed two games (vs NYJ & @ BUF). He was hobbled in two more (@ MIA & vs NE). He turns 28 in February. So he has 2 full seasons before he hits 30. If you include sack #'s for the above player's 28 & 29-yr-old seasons, it would REALLY skew favorable. These guys tend to age well. The other players currently in Mack's age group/sack range are also playing really well at the same age:

AARON DONALD (27) - 16.5 sacks
DEE FORD (27) - 11.5 sacks
CHANDLER JONES (28) - 12 sacks
CAMERON JORDAN (29) - 12 sacks
VON MILLER (29) - 14.5 sacks
JJ WATT (29) - 14.5 sacks
JASON PIERRE-PAUL (29) - 11.5 sacks

Damn, brother. I almost feel bad for making you do all that work. [emoji23]