I'm confused - do we HAVE to trade Deng to get Bron and Bosh?

[FirstTimer]

Thanks chief, now let me teach you how it actually works.

The Raptors are currently under the cap... yes. They also don't have Chris Bosh on their payroll right now.

But when they resign Chris Bosh, they go over the soft cap using their Bird Rights. Thus putting them over the cap. And thus, every deal they do must meet the 15% requirement. Ergo, the Bulls cannot trade $3 million in salary to acquire $16 million. That deal only works if Deng is included. The Bulls would still be under the cap, but the Raptors would not be. Both parties must be under the cap to not swap near equal money.

The reason the Hinrich to the Wizards deal was able to go was neither team was over the cap at the moment, so the Wizards were able to absorb the extra money.

That does not happen in a sign and trade with Bosh.

Thanks for trying though.

Exactly, which is why if the Bulls sign Lebron do a ST for Bosh they could technically add another 11-12 million a year free agent because they'd essentailly be trading Deng, and some other small contracts for Bosh's and still leaving millions open.

 

[FedEx227]

Sam Smith said the Bulls have in S&T in place for Bosh which would include Taj, 3st round picks and 3 million for Bosh. Also I think Ric said that too. The Raptors also do not want Deng. I don't get it, the Bulls only need to trade JJ for them not to have to do a S&T for Bosh.

Please link me to said reports.

 

[Bullsman24]

Thanks chief, now let me teach you how it actually works.

The Raptors are currently under the cap... yes. They also don't have Chris Bosh on their payroll right now.

But when they resign Chris Bosh, they go over the soft cap using their Bird Rights. Thus putting them over the cap. And thus, every deal they do must meet the 15% requirement. Ergo, the Bulls cannot trade $3 million in salary to acquire $16 million. That deal only works if Deng is included. The Bulls would still be under the cap, but the Raptors would not be. Both parties must be under the cap to not swap near equal money.

The reason the Hinrich to the Wizards deal was able to go was neither team was over the cap at the moment, so the Wizards were able to absorb the extra money.

That does not happen in a sign and trade with Bosh.

Thanks for trying though.

no only one team does. another example!

marcus camby to the clippers for a second round pick. clippers were under the cap. denver was not. so it worked.

 

[waldo7239117]

Please link me to said reports.

It was said on ESPN 1000.

 

[FedEx227]

Here's the one I found... and if you notice there's a few adjectives in there:

A far-fetched scenario would involve the Bulls engineering a sign-and-trade with the Raptors to land Bosh, preserving their $30 million for either James or Wade and other pieces. That's a long shot, although league sources confirmed Sam Smith's report on Bulls.com that the teams have discussed a sign-and-trade involving Taj Gibson, first-round picks and a hefty trade exception close to $15 million.

 

[FirstTimer]

Here's the one I found... and if you notice there's a few adjectives in there:

Bingo. NBA Salary Cap rules prevent the trade unless Stern waves his wand and lists the trade as an exception...thus making it immune to the salaray cap rules.

 

[Bullsman24]

BULLS: Sam Smith: Where LeBron, Wade and the free agents are going...

look under bosh

 

[waldo7239117]

Here's the one I found... and if you notice there's a few adjectives in there:

Yeah that sounds close. But what is so hard about trading JJ for a 2nd round pick to any team?

 

[FirstTimer]

Yeah that sounds close. But what is so hard about trading JJ for a 2nd round pick to any team?

JJ sucks and 2nd Round picks are almost meaningless.

 

[waldo7239117]

JJ sucks and 2nd Round picks are almost meaningless.

JJ never really got playing time. But if the Bulls did trade JJ for that, they can sign Bosh with no S&T.

 

[Bullsman24]

NO. a trade exception is something you get when you trade a player to someone under the cap and don't get back equal salary.

again look at the camby trade. the nuggets got a 12 million dollar trade exception. so they could take back a player worth 12 million dollars for no salary. that's how it works.

 

[FedEx227]

BULLS: Sam Smith: Where LeBron, Wade and the free agents are going...

look under bosh

In the end, my guess is the Raptors take Taj Gibson, three No. 1s and the maximum $3 million. That's also a huge trade exception for them and they can do some maneuvering on their own.

I don't think Stern is going to let the Bulls make a mockery of their salary cap and give the Raptors a record-breaking, unbelievable salary exception.

 

[Bullsman24]

it seriously would NOT be hard to find a team to dump JJ or taj on. they make next to nothing and it's low risk high reward, especially for a team looking at a SF.

 

[FirstTimer]

NO. a trade exception is something you get when you trade a player to someone under the cap and don't get back equal salary.

Which is what I just fucking said.

 

[FedEx227]

NO. a trade exception is something you get when you trade a player to someone under the cap and don't get back equal salary.

again look at the camby trade. the nuggets got a 12 million dollar trade exception. so they could take back a player worth 12 million dollars for no salary. that's how it works.

This is a completely different scenario.

The Clippers on Tuesday night swung a trade to import Denver Nuggets center Marcus Camby as their Brand replacement for the minuscule cost of giving Denver the option to swap second-round picks in 2010, capitalizing on the Nuggets' need to shed salary to create their own financial flexibility.

Using the salary-cap space earmarked for re-signing Brand before his free-agent departure to the Philadelphia 76ers, L.A. was able to absorb Camby's contract ($10 million for each of the next two seasons) without surrendering anything of consequence, although Denver did create a trade exception worth $10.1 million that expires one year from Tuesday.

Nuggets trade Camby to Clippers for second-round pick - NBA - ESPN

 

[FirstTimer]

JJ never really got playing time.

Because he sucks.

 

[Bullsman24]

NBA Salary Cap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

traded player exception, look under that, that's what we're both talking about

 

[Bullsman24]

This is a completely different scenario.



Nuggets trade Camby to Clippers for second-round pick - NBA - ESPN

that's virtually the same scenario. a team with cap room traded for a player for no returning salary, therefore giving them a trade exception.

a trade exception isn't something the league has to approve or anything, it's an actual piece that can be used as part of a trade.

 

[waldo7239117]

Because he sucks.

I'm not going to say that until I see him play more.

 

[Bullsman24]

Which is what I just fucking said.

it isn't something the league has to approve.