I'm Really Starting to Hate Poles

[Starion]

Per Bears org culture, Poles looks strained to want to speak the truth, but they don't ever do that in Halas. Heavens no!!! Can't risk even possibly maybe saying anything NEGATIVE!!!

Can never never ever call anybody out, name drop or dare say who f'd up and how, (or swear for that matter) shit, got me self-censoring too!
Keep all those shitty cards close to the vest, as if anybody cares what the next incompetent denial of talent & approval of daft-vanilla by George will be. Barf.

I'm just guessing that Poles' contract just might be tenuous based on potential HC demands...probably was the length of Eberflus, but he could be let go if a big name HC comes in with his own guy and sells George on the next acronym of principles & "collaboration".

Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? All assets need to fix that OL incl FA actual GOOD Center for the first time EVER, maybe draft an edge, but there's months on those topics.

Nice post OP. Like or hate on Pace, he's nervous AF behind a mic. And should be after this season. The build is close to done, but dammit if they can't ever even luck-box into a good coaching staff. Even "average" competence would be a 180 improvement.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

What we need for this franchise to overcome the rotating cycle of ineptitude is luck, pure luck. If they do hire the right coaches, stumble onto the right free agents and draft picks, I will not put it down to them being good at their jobs. I will put it to sheer law of averages, how at some point you have to luck into success. It sucks, but we need to get lucky.

 

[WestsideResider]

He’s all talk (“draft capital and cap space”) and possibly a fraud. I’m hoping he somehow gets it right this off-season though because I don’t want to start over again

 

[LiverpoolBearsFAn]

It’s make or break for me this year. I still like some of what he has done wiry the roster and draft but it’s kind of hard to judge other things because of the general dysfunction of the Bears organisation.

The two biggest issues which have marred his tenure have been the hiring and 3 year retention of Matt Eberflus (and all his OCs and DCs) and a consistent failure to put together even a serviceable O-line.

The O-line can be fixed, that’s easy enough. But we don’t actually know who wanted Eberflus because they were interviewing him before Poles was hired. He was an appalling hire - no charisma and no CV worthy of a HC job. Nobody across the fan base wanted him.

If he was Poles’ hire he’s very lucky to still be here. And in terms of Poles’ chat, him saying they are interviewing so many people because they are going ‘so deep’ and that there will be ‘surprises’ did piss me off.

The last HC was a ‘surprise’ because he was a fucking no mark that nobody wanted outside of whoever led that decision. The vast majority of good HC hires are not surprising because the best candidates have built a reputation based on success.

So don’t give me that shit about trying to sound like you are smarter than all the other GMs, because your losing record says you are lucky to still be in your job, let alone making out you are doing things nobody else is.

The last surprise was a disaster. If this hire is a surprise there will be mutiny amongst the fans and players, because people have had enough of their dumbfuckery.

 

[Forty-six]

Even though I was against bringing back Flus for year 3, I was a supporter of Poles up until the middle part of this season. The inability to surround Caleb with the right coaches is inexcusable and we shouldn't see the team regressing in year 3 of the rebuild. Those issues are directly on Poles who has constructed the roster.

Putting a list together of 15 HC candidates is also insane. Why? Because it tells me that Poles has NO IDEA what he wants the Bears identity and culture to be going forward. If you have 15 guys, some who are young, old, DC's, OC's, former HC's, guys with no HC's experience and multiple different philosophies and personalities then you're just throwing darts at a board when it comes to identifying what type of culture you want the team to have going forward.

Yeah, I get he wants to "leave no rock left unturned" but having so many names in the hat will slow down the hiring process and other teams are very likely to hire the top candidates while Poles is still interviewing the 11th guy of 15.

I'd love t think Poles has zeroed in on two or three names he loves and will move quickly to hire from the short list once he's had a sit down but damn, I have no faith in Poles any longer to do the logical and competent thing.

 

[jsu34]

Believe it or not, there are still some people supporting him selecting Darnell Wright instead of CJ Stroud, Will Anderson, Bijan Robinson or Jalen Carter.

Not sure that was the main problem. He was addressing the most obvious need which was OL.

Problem is he didn't seem to realize he needed 2 guards and a center as well.
And he kept swinging and missing at those.

 

[Washington]

Let's face it, the organization as a whole is just fucked up with no end in sight to the misery. It all starts at the top and shit flows downhill. Until there is a change at the very top, the best we have as Bears fans is rooting for the Packers to lose in the playoffs and the draft. Once the games start, it becomes the same old shit.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Ryan Poles is a kid playing at GM.

It was pretty clear from the beginning that he wasn't some innovator. It still may have turned out ok, but the number of people who praised him as some great young mind was pretty crazy, considering all it took was a few minutes of listening to him to see he was just a guy---nothing special.

Admittedly its just sports radio, but two weird things I've heard is 1) "You need to bring in Pete Carroll to the building to learn from him" and 2) "These guys are interviewing Poles as much as he's interviewing them".

If having Pete Carroll wander aimlessly around Halas Hall for a couple hours can actually help your organization, then things are in really bad shape.

Poles is so unimpressive, that I can't imagine anyone competent tolerating an interview with him. Can you imagine Bill Belichick having to answer questions posed by Ryan Poles? No coach with a brain would agree to aligning themselves with Poles as the GM, so I'm guessing the next coach is going to be Drew Petzing, Ben Johnson or some other neophyte that isn't going to change the dysfunctional culture.

 

[DefNextYear]

Here's the thing: If the Bears hire someone like Johnson, Kingsbury or Vrabel (not that I love all of those options), we'll at least know they weren't being too cute and undisciplined in their search. If they hire Ben Johnson and he fizzles it, it's one of those things you can live with and be, "Well damn, I also thought he was going to be good, so I can't be too pissed at that selection."

But if they once again get too cute and pick some random person off the beaten path and it doesn't work out, that's the shit that makes you want to throw the McCaskeys and their yes-men off the top floor.

Yup, it's kinda like drafting Caleb. If you pick the consensus, it's "safe" to a degree. If you go against that, you can't be wrong or you'll be hung out to dry. Given we're one of the top destinations, you have the luxury of the best candidates. It just makes life easier... or at least it should.

For that reason too, public perception and tolerance should be a bit better. I know coaches/players shouldn't necessarily care, but I think it matters. If Ben Johnson starts off slow, people will have more patience than if Mike Kafka starts off slow. And everyone in the organization hears the noise even if they say they don't, and it builds pressure. Pressure may not break everyone, but some pieces will start to break on the team and then you get a season like the one we just had.

 

[ijustposthere]

Yeah he is horrible no sane person wants him to still be here. Does he even have any supporters left?

@msadows

Also, I'm not sure what OP wants. Should poles walk around dejected and defeated, with slouched shoulders and his head down?

 

[nc0gnet0]

Didn't Eberfluss get the job because he "nailed" the interview?

 

[Rise]

@msadows

Also, I'm not sure what OP wants. Should poles walk around dejected and defeated, with slouched shoulders and his head down?

He kind of is lol. Doesn’t seem like the same guy who was walking around last year.

 

[SugarWalls]

@msadows

Also, I'm not sure what OP wants. Should poles walk around dejected and defeated, with slouched shoulders and his head down?

No but maybe he could just be slightly honest about the current situation.

When asked about turmoil during CW’s rookie year he was surprised as if there was no turmoil. Absolute insanity.

 

[ijustposthere]

No but maybe he could just be slightly honest about the current situation.

When asked about turmoil during CW’s rookie year he was surprised as if there was no turmoil. Absolute insanity.

I mean, he's pretty subpar. This stuff doesn't surprise me. He lucked into one deal. He's made a couple of the obvious picks, but he's mostly been garbage. I'd have had much more faith in him if he had fired flus after last season. That was the way to change the culture. As of now, we're on the same hamster wheel where now we have a coach/GM/and new QB all under different timelines

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

When asked about turmoil during CW’s rookie year he was surprised as if there was no turmoil. Absolute insanity.

It was worse than 'surprise' IMO, it was defensive....Poles said something like "can you define turmoil and stress?" or something like that...as if he was at a spelling bee and asked for the word to be used in a sentence. I expect that type of childishness from remydat, not from an NFL GM who is giving his 'annual' press conference.

 

[hyatt151]

I've already written enough about Pole ineptitude.
It can all be summarized as Poles is a shitty GM.
At this point, he's just an extension of McCaskey.

the fact that Daniels, Nix and Penix in a short stint were comparable to Caleb and arguably Maye as well, add Nabors and Thomas jr had better seasons then Rome shows that Poles lacks in player evaluation

 

[ijustposthere]

the fact that Daniels, Nix and Penix in a short stint were comparable to Caleb and arguably Maye as well, add Nabors and Thomas jr had better seasons then Rome shows that Poles lacks in player evaluation

That's just stupid and lazy analysis

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Believe it or not, there are still some people supporting him selecting Darnell Wright instead of CJ Stroud, Will Anderson, Bijan Robinson or Jalen Carter.

CJ Stroud crashed this year. Jalen Carter would have flopped in our shit locker room. Bijan Robinson is a luxury for a team like the Bears and not a need.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Here's the thing: If the Bears hire someone like Johnson, Kingsbury or Vrabel (not that I love all of those options), we'll at least know they weren't being too cute and undisciplined in their search. If they hire Ben Johnson and he fizzles it, it's one of those things you can live with and be, "Well damn, I also thought he was going to be good, so I can't be too pissed at that selection."

But if they once again get too cute and pick some random person off the beaten path and it doesn't work out, that's the shit that makes you want to throw the McCaskeys and their yes-men off the top floor.

Exactly this.

This isn't the same as Matt Nagy, who was hailed as some genius but we all saw he lost the playoff game for the Chiefs when he called the game before he was hired.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

That's just stupid and lazy analysis

The quote, or Poles' player evaluation?