Is Coaching an Issue?

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Pau does not need to protect the rim on defense, this is his weakness.

False. It is his strength on defense. He's not Dikembe Mutombo, but Pau is way better suited to be defending the rim than the pick-and-roll.

Noah needs to protect the rim on defense, this is his strength.

Noah has a lot of strengths on defense. He defends the pick-and-roll well. He is quick and can switch off onto perimeter players. He can defend the rim. He contests all kinds of shots. He gets rebounds. Pau has one strength; stay as close to the rim as possible to block shots and get easy rebounds. When the two are on the floor at the same time, Noah should have the role more resembling a power forward on defense.[/QUOTE]

Pau needs to post up when the matchup is good on offense, otherwise play the stretch 4 role, which he was brought in for.

Pau is not a stretch 4- nor was he brought in for that. That was his role under Mike D'Antoni in L.A. and he has had a resurgence on offense since being posted as much as possible. Gasol in the post and Butler attacking and both getting free throws has been the Bulls' bread and butter offensively this season.

Noah needs to be down low on offense, not at the 3 pt line handling the ball like a G. He should be crashing the boards at all times. Rose is not the problem. He should not be expected to drive a lane that teams are stacking and cheating off him defensively. .

I'm in favor of more Pau+Taj and more Noah+Mirotic in the second unit. Noah and Pau together means that ideally Gasol should be taken advantage for his scoring in the paint and offensive rebounding. That is the Bulls' most valuable asset on offense right now. Therefore, keep Gasol in the post for as many plays as possible. Noah works pretty well in the high post as a passer. Sometimes, he won't be as aggressive right under the basket as you'd like because Gasol is in the post. That's the sacrifice you make for a good scorer like that.

Rose is not the problem but he's been way more of a problem than a guy like Thibodeau or Pau Gasol have been. I don't expect him to drive lanes, but I expect him to look for the highest percentage shot possible and at least try to penetrate before settling for too many contested three's. Rose gets almost all of his assists in transition or off of dribble penetration where the weak-side guy overplays him. So, yes, I do expect him to drive lanes more when that is your strength as a pro. athlete.

If Rose actually had players that could hit the 3 when he plays, he might be able to dish to them. Every time Rose tries to be an assist guy, he watches the players that are playing with him throw up bricks. This is why he resorts to throwing up bad 3's, cuz he has no confidence in the guys to actually hit the 3.

These are all coaching issues.

It is just a coincidence that Rose typically racks up his decent assist nights on the same nights as his big scoring nights? No, it's not because Rose's effectiveness go hand in hand with how aggressive he is being offensively. The problem is that Rose is trying to open up the lanes with his three-point shooting when it should be the other way around. Then, Rose becomes not much more than "that other guy on the floor who is shooting a lot of three's that aren't going in right now but don't leave him by himself or he'll get an easy basket" guy.

Dunleavy was hitting three's and Mirotic and even Butler was getting hot a lot this year. The Bulls' three-point percentage has actually been in the upper part of the NBA towards the beginning of the season. Rose had confidence in Bogans so I am sure he has some confidence in Butler or Hinrich. Sometimes, he just makes the wrong decisions as a point guard. Compare Rose to Chris Paul. Rose gets tunnel vision at times and takes his match-ups personally while Paul is more thinking about the 'what is the best thing I can do overall for the good of the offense for this particular play/game.

 

[Bear Pride]

False. It is his strength on defense. He's not Dikembe Mutombo, but Pau is way better suited to be defending the rim than the pick-and-roll.



Noah has a lot of strengths on defense. He defends the pick-and-roll well. He is quick and can switch off onto perimeter players. He can defend the rim. He contests all kinds of shots. He gets rebounds. Pau has one strength; stay as close to the rim as possible to block shots and get easy rebounds. When the two are on the floor at the same time, Noah should have the role more resembling a power forward on defense.



Pau is not a stretch 4- nor was he brought in for that. That was his role under Mike D'Antoni in L.A. and he has had a resurgence on offense since being posted as much as possible. Gasol in the post and Butler attacking and both getting free throws has been the Bulls' bread and butter offensively this season.



I'm in favor of more Pau+Taj and more Noah+Mirotic in the second unit. Noah and Pau together means that ideally Gasol should be taken advantage for his scoring in the paint and offensive rebounding. That is the Bulls' most valuable asset on offense right now. Therefore, keep Gasol in the post for as many plays as possible. Noah works pretty well in the high post as a passer. Sometimes, he won't be as aggressive right under the basket as you'd like because Gasol is in the post. That's the sacrifice you make for a good scorer like that.

Rose is not the problem but he's been way more of a problem than a guy like Thibodeau or Pau Gasol have been. I don't expect him to drive lanes, but I expect him to look for the highest percentage shot possible and at least try to penetrate before settling for too many contested three's. Rose gets almost all of his assists in transition or off of dribble penetration where the weak-side guy overplays him. So, yes, I do expect him to drive lanes more when that is your strength as a pro. athlete.



It is just a coincidence that Rose typically racks up his decent assist nights on the same nights as his big scoring nights? No, it's not because Rose's effectiveness go hand in hand with how aggressive he is being offensively. The problem is that Rose is trying to open up the lanes with his three-point shooting when it should be the other way around. Then, Rose becomes not much more than "that other guy on the floor who is shooting a lot of three's that aren't going in right now but don't leave him by himself or he'll get an easy basket" guy.

Dunleavy was hitting three's and Mirotic and even Butler was getting hot a lot this year. The Bulls' three-point percentage has actually been in the upper part of the NBA towards the beginning of the season. Rose had confidence in Bogans so I am sure he has some confidence in Butler or Hinrich. Sometimes, he just makes the wrong decisions as a point guard. Compare Rose to Chris Paul. Rose gets tunnel vision at times and takes his match-ups personally while Paul is more thinking about the 'what is the best thing I can do overall for the good of the offense for this particular play/game.

Yeah, all these things are working real well for the Bulls right now.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

32% from 3 for his career and 31% for this season. 42% for his career in the midrange.

That is not good, but it basically what Butler is doing this season. Snell has not received regular minutes and has not shot as poorly as people think he has. When Snell was getting regular minutes he was shooting the much better. If you are watching the games you would know that over that 7 game stretch he actually shot the ball on par with Butler over the same period.

Snell's stats are skewed because he only takes 3 or 4 shots a game, and the shots he's making are higher percentage layups, right? That's why I said you have to watch the games, not stats.

There's a reason Snell doesn't get minutes. He hasn't proven he can be trusted to take and make wide open jumpers. He routinely passes the ball when he should be taking wide open 3s, which demostrates his lack of confidence. When he has to shoot, it's usually brickcity. I'm not saying he can't get better, but he's had 2 years of this already. To play SG, you have to be a reasonably good shooter from the perimeter. No job is safe if you're not meeting reasonable expectations.


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[Axl Rose]

Pau's weakness on defense is everything

his rim protection is overrated unless hes right under the rim and a player directly challenges him but if he has to move his feet then its pretty much a layup

Noah best attribute on defense is Help D, it's what got him a DPOY award and now with Gasol it pretty much negates that and Noah isn't the same impact player anymore....quite frankly hes a liability

Rose certainly is a problem aswell...missing 2 years doesn't give him an excuse to play selfishly

with how Rose has been these last 2 years starting with skipping out on the playoffs, to saying he wasn't gonna recruit Carmelo, to saying hes worried about life after basketball, to the way he plays....i believe Roses mentality has changed

hes no longer a humble lovable star but rather a egotistical me first player...i hope im wrong on this but its the Derrick im seeing these days

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Pau gets dunked on no matter where he is on defense. [emoji1]


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[The Hawk]

Mirotic is not a 3. Not agile enough. Not on either end.

Gasol is an all-star. He belongs in his natural role as a scorer near the rim and defender near the rim. His rebounding is great. His defense (in his correct role) is very good.

Rose is playing poorly. Turnovers are too high. Assists are too low. His defense is shaky and doesn't force the turnovers as you'd hope he would. Everybody on the team has some shaky, inconsistent defense. One day, the defense looks elite and the next, they are getting torched by Ed Davis. Rose is the one who is really inconsistent on offense. When the three-point shot is on, he looks like MVP Rose. When the three-point shot is off (most of the time), he struggles and the offense struggles.

Rose is the problem/"issue" this season. Not Thibs or Pau (laughable). Rose's bread and butter was attacking in 2010-2012. That is what opened up his three-point shot. That is how he averaged about 8 assists with only 3+ turnovers. Now, in 2015, it is the other way around; he settles for contested three's. When they drop, the defense closes in and he goes right by and gets the easy shot or assist to wide open teammate. That isn't a common occurrence.

Not saying he needs to be reckless and crash and burn every possession. That's when the minor injuries will start to mount and make it more likely that another major injury occurs. But he needs to attack the rim aggressively at times. Rose is still good enough to help the Bulls be better than they were last year (going from 27th to 9th out of 30 in offense. But not good enough.

I'm sorry but what you say does not add up. They had an excellent defense last year without Rose and Gasol in the starting line-up. You cannot dispute that. Now they have Rose and Gasol in the starting line-up and their defense stinks. It stinks because Rose and Gasol suck on defending against the pick and roll. Plus, Gasol and Noah are bad together. Gasol is a very limited defender and he just gets in Noah's way both on defense and rebounding.

I think that Gasol absolutely needs to be separated from Rose and Noah if they are going to get better. I am not saying that he hasn't been good for the Bulls. I am saying that the Bulls are not very efficient with he and who they have him with.

 

[czman]

please close your basketball reference tab

I am sure that no one here, including both of us, can watch half an NBA season and determine the difference between a ~32% and 34~ 3point shooter. Anyone who does not use actual shooing data, and just goes off what they think is utterly wrong. Not all advanced data in the NBA is good. Not all data is good. But something like shooting % are pretty darn accurate when you are determining how frequently someone makes shots.

There is no reason not to use it.

 

[The Hawk]

You can't pin all the problems on Gasol. He was brought here to provide offense, and he's done that. He's never been any good at defense, so some people who weren't aware of this (despite numerous warnings from myself and a few others) need to rethink their expectations on Gasol. Noah is the biggest problem with this team because he was at one time our best defender. He's been a below average player overall this year, and the team has regressed as a result. Thibs should have cut Noah's minutes and replaced him with Taj in the starting line up by now, but I digress.

It's Noah, man. Rose is the subordinate problem with this team. He's turned into an arrogant prick with the contract and should be run out of town if he doesn't get his attitude under control. Bulls fans won't do that of course, because they are exceedingly loyal to popular players, even when they're hurting the team.


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Noah is rounding back into health and he just didn't forget how to play defense all of a sudden. Gasol and Rose together are the defensive problem.

 

[The Hawk]

I opened the board a few minutes ago and saw that Hinrich was in the starting line-up once again ANother game of bad spacing, bad defense, and two big guys getting in each other's way. Yippey!

 

[clonetrooper264]

I opened the board a few minutes ago and saw that Hinrich was in the starting line-up once again ANother game of bad spacing, bad defense, and two big guys getting in each other's way. Yippey!

I suppose I'll make you down for the "definitely NOT the Bulls" voting option then

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Noah is rounding back into health and he just didn't forget how to play defense all of a sudden. Gasol and Rose together are the defensive problem.

Nah bruh, Noah playing like garbage on both ends of the floor is the problem. Rose's nasty perimeter shooting is the other one.

Gasol is a scorer who can pass and block shots. Noah is supposed to be the A+ defender, remember?


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