Is it wrong to still wanna talk about Ben Gordon?

[TheStig]

Re:Is it wrong to still wanna talk about Ben Gordo

houheffna wrote:

Well, that is in direct contradiction from what I have been hearing on the Score and other places for a while now...but again, it doesn't matter...what is done is done...maybe the Bulls don't like Boozer, maybe they like other players more...Bosh or Stoudamire (though I heard he is off the list too)...I think they have more patience than you do....and don't want to rush into anything...

Thats perfectly fine. Lets say they like Bosh or Stat more, Boozer has more value to those teams than Kirk and TT. And if in 2010 we still felt that way, you just don't resign boozer and get whomever you want. But boozer will be cheaper and will definetly help you get Wade.

BTW, I haven't listened to the score in years but back then they were horrible for basketball. You are best off with Real GM wiretaps and Espn insider stuff.

 

[houheffna]

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I am not having this conversation any more. What is done is done...sitting up and speculating at this point is useless and a waste of time. They did what they felt they could do....I see the grand plan, I am happy with that for now, if you are not...well it is going to be a long year for you.

 

[TheStig]

Re:Is it wrong to still wanna talk about Ben Gordo

houheffna wrote:

I am not having this conversation any more. What is done is done...sitting up and speculating at this point is useless and a waste of time. They did what they felt they could do....I see the grand plan, I am happy with that for now, if you are not...well it is going to be a long year for you.

That is my point though. There were a lot of option to get better and they decided to do nothing. Its that commitment to mediocrity that worries me. I can't ever see them getting over the hump with these kinds of stringent policies. What happens when Noah wants $9-10 mill? Rose wants the max? Those are the hard choices coming up ahead.

 

[houheffna]

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Well that is better...look forward to what superstars they can get and not backward to players who are not on that level and wonder about keeping them. They will sign Rose if he is worth that, same with Noah, if he wants to be here...

 

[TheStig]

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houheffna wrote:

Well that is better...look forward to what superstars they can get and not backward to players who are not on that level and wonder about keeping them. They will sign Rose if he is worth that, same with Noah, if he wants to be here...

You live in such a nice black and white world. It must be nice to have everything so cut and dry but lets look at your example for a minute. Lets give you a gimme and say we luck into Wade next year. And that both Noah and Rose improve to be worth those deals. You do realize that Wade would be averaging a little over 20 mill per in a max deal, rose would be averaging a little over 15, Deng is averaging 12 over his and noah would be getting 10 per. Thats 57 million in 4 players or the entire salarly cap. You'd have 10 Mill under the lt to fill out your roster with scrubs. That team is not a contender without a decent PF. That team also can't afford a real bench and in the final years of those deals, which will be higher will be right at the lt tax threshold with just those 4 players. They will have no money to add people.

 

[ramblingrose33]

Re:Is it wrong to still wanna talk about Ben Gordo

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ramblingrose33 wrote:

I think the issue with talking about Ben Gordon is, what's the point? I doubt Jerry Reinsdorf reads this forum nor will he consult us on mid-season trades. I'm in the "move on" camp but I certainly agree Gordon would have helped A LOT the other night. I guess if people are still upset about the Gordon deal, write a letter to the Bulls organization or start up a Ben Gordon blog. I'd prefer this site to be about the Chicago Bulls. If we want to talk about great Ben Gordon moments, awesome, start a thread. But to rehash the different ways each side screwed the fans is stupid and a waste of time.

If you just give management a free pass, it will surely happen again, just with another player.

Yea because crying about it is really holding Bulls management accountable. Look dude, unless you want to be Tank Man or light yourself on fire outside the Berto Center in protest, complaining about Gordon will get you nowhere on the "holding Bulls Management accountable front". You're really just whining about it now. I would have loved Gordon today but guess what, he's gone.

 

[pinkizdead]

Re:Is it wrong to still wanna talk about Ben Gordo

so What you're saying is that we ought to have to start a hunger strike, right? i guess that i could support that.

 

[ramblingrose33]

Re:Is it wrong to still wanna talk about Ben Gordo

pinkizdead wrote:

so What you're saying is that we ought to have to start a hunger strike, right? i guess that i could support that.

That's exactly what I'm saying! Or just stop buying Bulls merchandise...

 

[TheStig]

Re:Is it wrong to still wanna talk about Ben Gordo

ramblingrose33 wrote:

pinkizdead wrote:

so What you're saying is that we ought to have to start a hunger strike, right? i guess that i could support that.

That's exactly what I'm saying! Or just stop buying Bulls merchandise...

I actually started a thread along those lines when we lost BG. That I wouldn't be buying any new bulls stuff or go to games until I say a commitment to winning. Unfortunately the UC is still full but its a slower tricle down effect.

 

[charity stripe]

Re:Is it wrong to still wanna talk about Ben Gordo

No, its not wrong at all. I share your sentiments. And I'm going to point out how much the Bulls miss him almost every game. The Special person decision by GarPaxDorf to let him go becomes more and more apparent each game, and i'm going to point it out. The Bulls would be a much, much better team with Gordon. They lack spacing, 3pt shooting, clutchness, somebody who can take over a game, somebody who WANTS the ball in his hands, somebody who can get to the ft line, somebody who can provide efficient offense. All of that would have been filled by Gordon, but its too bad management and ownership doesn't care much to put a winning product on the court. I'll enjoy watching several Pistons games this year, and enjoying Gordon making game winning shots, four point plays, and appearing in the all-star game.

 

[ramblingrose33]

Re:Is it wrong to still wanna talk about Ben Gordo

charity stripe wrote:

No, its not wrong at all. I share your sentiments. And I'm going to point out how much the Bulls miss him almost every game. The Special person decision by GarPaxDorf to let him go becomes more and more apparent each game, and i'm going to point it out. The Bulls would be a much, much better team with Gordon. They lack spacing, 3pt shooting, clutchness, somebody who can take over a game, somebody who WANTS the ball in his hands, somebody who can get to the ft line, somebody who can provide efficient offense. All of that would have been filled by Gordon, but its too bad management and ownership doesn't care much to put a winning product on the court. I'll enjoy watching several Pistons games this year, and enjoying Gordon making game winning shots, four point plays, and appearing in the all-star game.

So you're a Pistons fan now? Sounds good. I'd rather you just say that then.

 

[mlewinth]

Re:Is it wrong to still wanna talk about Ben Gordo

ramblingrose33 wrote:

charity stripe wrote:

No, its not wrong at all. I share your sentiments. And I'm going to point out how much the Bulls miss him almost every game. The Special person decision by GarPaxDorf to let him go becomes more and more apparent each game, and i'm going to point it out. The Bulls would be a much, much better team with Gordon. They lack spacing, 3pt shooting, clutchness, somebody who can take over a game, somebody who WANTS the ball in his hands, somebody who can get to the ft line, somebody who can provide efficient offense. All of that would have been filled by Gordon, but its too bad management and ownership doesn't care much to put a winning product on the court. I'll enjoy watching several Pistons games this year, and enjoying Gordon making game winning shots, four point plays, and appearing in the all-star game.

So you're a Pistons fan now? Sounds good. I'd rather you just say that then.

He's not saying he is a Pistons fan. He is saying that he likes Ben Gordon and he likes watching him. I feel the same way. I haven't watched a Pistons game since 2006 unless they were playing the Bulls. Ben is one of my favorite players in the leauge to watch, so I find myself watching Pistons games, where I wouldnt of before. Since I like BG, I also do not want for him to fail. He is a good player and I want him to succeed. If that means the Pistons win more games, so be it.

Also, I just want to point out...THIS IS A FORUM. Many of you are saying that venting on this forum accomplishes nothing and are questioning what we are going to do to take a stand against the organization! Look, I am not Michael Corleone. If I could arrage for a hit man to go wack Gar Forman and force Joe Dumars to give us Ben Gordon back, I would. However, I can't so I am going to exactly what I and many other Bulls fans have been doing....***** about it!! What does it accomplish!? Well it makes me feel better and honestly there are enough people in this forum who feel like me, that I can vent too. If you don't want to discuss Gordon anymore, don't post on these threads and make your way to the next one. But don't try to be some controlling Nazi and try to tell me or any other Bulls fan what we can and can't discuss.

Also this "so your just a Pistons fan now" bullshit a few of you have pulled. Grow the hell up! You know who you are. Everyone in here likes multiple players in the NBA. I like LeBron James, does that mean I am a bad Bulls fan and actually a Cavs fan in disguise!?!? NO! Being a sports fan is alot like being married. You can't cheat...but its ok to look from time to time. If Ben Gordon was a pair of hooters, he would be some of the most lucious hooters on the planet and I would scope a glimpse of them, maybe even stare a little. I might even look and say "god what if those hooters were on my team" (with my team, being my face)...well I know that isint going to happen. So as I would with a great pair of hooters, I will just sit and day dream about "what if!?!?!?"

BTW, Ben Gordon is 15th in the leauge in scoring. Thought you would all like to know....

 

[ramblingrose33]

Re:Is it wrong to still wanna talk about Ben Gordo

mlewinth wrote:

ramblingrose33 wrote:

He's not saying he is a Pistons fan. He is saying that he likes Ben Gordon and he likes watching him. I feel the same way. I haven't watched a Pistons game since 2006 unless they were playing the Bulls. Ben is one of my favorite players in the leauge to watch, so I find myself watching Pistons games, where I wouldnt of before. Since I like BG, I also do not want for him to fail. He is a good player and I want him to succeed. If that means the Pistons win more games, so be it.

Also, I just want to point out...THIS IS A FORUM. Many of you are saying that venting on this forum accomplishes nothing and are questioning what we are going to do to take a stand against the organization! Look, I am not Michael Corleone. If I could arrage for a hit man to go wack Gar Forman and force Joe Dumars to give us Ben Gordon back, I would. However, I can't so I am going to exactly what I and many other Bulls fans have been doing....***** about it!! What does it accomplish!? Well it makes me feel better and honestly there are enough people in this forum who feel like me, that I can vent too. If you don't want to discuss Gordon anymore, don't post on these threads and make your way to the next one. But don't try to be some controlling Nazi and try to tell me or any other Bulls fan what we can and can't discuss.

Also this "so your just a Pistons fan now" bullshit a few of you have pulled. Grow the hell up! You know who you are. Everyone in here likes multiple players in the NBA. I like LeBron James, does that mean I am a bad Bulls fan and actually a Cavs fan in disguise!?!? NO! Being a sports fan is alot like being married. You can't cheat...but its ok to look from time to time. If Ben Gordon was a pair of hooters, he would be some of the most lucious hooters on the planet and I would scope a glimpse of them, maybe even stare a little. I might even look and say "god what if those hooters were on my team" (with my team, being my face)...well I know that isint going to happen. So as I would with a great pair of hooters, I will just sit and day dream about "what if!?!?!?"

BTW, Ben Gordon is 15th in the leauge in scoring. Thought you would all like to know....

Hahaha!!

Well said. I stand corrected.

 

[charity stripe]

Re:Is it wrong to still wanna talk about Ben Gordo

ramblingrose33 wrote:

So you're a Pistons fan now?

No. Don't twist what i said.

He's not saying he is a Pistons fan. He is saying that he likes Ben Gordon and he likes watching him. I feel the same way. I haven't watched a Pistons game since 2006 unless they were playing the Bulls. Ben is one of my favorite players in the leauge to watch, so I find myself watching Pistons games, where I wouldnt of before. Since I like BG, I also do not want for him to fail. He is a good player and I want him to succeed. If that means the Pistons win more games, so be it.

Also, I just want to point out...THIS IS A FORUM. Many of you are saying that venting on this forum accomplishes nothing and are questioning what we are going to do to take a stand against the organization! Look, I am not Michael Corleone. If I could arrage for a hit man to go wack Gar Forman and force Joe Dumars to give us Ben Gordon back, I would. However, I can't so I am going to exactly what I and many other Bulls fans have been doing....***** about it!! What does it accomplish!? Well it makes me feel better and honestly there are enough people in this forum who feel like me, that I can vent too. If you don't want to discuss Gordon anymore, don't post on these threads and make your way to the next one. But don't try to be some controlling Nazi and try to tell me or any other Bulls fan what we can and can't discuss.

Also this "so your just a Pistons fan now" bullshit a few of you have pulled. Grow the hell up! You know who you are. Everyone in here likes multiple players in the NBA. I like LeBron James, does that mean I am a bad Bulls fan and actually a Cavs fan in disguise!?!? NO! Being a sports fan is alot like being married. You can't cheat...but its ok to look from time to time. If Ben Gordon was a pair of hooters, he would be some of the most lucious hooters on the planet and I would scope a glimpse of them, maybe even stare a little. I might even look and say "god what if those hooters were on my team" (with my team, being my face)...well I know that isint going to happen. So as I would with a great pair of hooters, I will just sit and day dream about "what if!?!?!?"

BTW, Ben Gordon is 15th in the leauge in scoring. Thought you would all like to know....

Oh man, post of the year here!! B)

 

[jsain360]

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Pistons are 1-2, what Ben does really doesn't matter, he is no longer here.

 

[houheffna]

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Pistons are 1-2, what Ben does really doesn't matter, he is no longer here.

 

[clonetrooper264]

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jsain360 wrote:

Pistons are 1-2, what Ben does really doesn't matter, he is no longer here.

You are right in that it does not matter, but that doesn't mean that people cannot talk about him if they want to.

 

[flipcyde23]

It's not wrong to still want to talk about BG...Freedom of speech baby!!! One of the most professional and prolific scorers in the NBA can be talked about...I too root for Ben, even though he is with the Pistons. I live in Grand Rapids, MI and had the opportunity to watch a preseason Pistons/Wizards game and rocked my (now throwback) Bulls Gordon jersey in a Piston fan filled arena. Does that make me a traitor? I don't think so. I am a die-hard Bulls fan and will "SEE RED" till I die...

I do admit I want to move on because we are now officially starting (dare I say it) the "POST GORDON ERA" ...

I will peek at stats here and there, but you know he'll be on SportsCenter for some crazy shot or a game winning buzzer beater this season. A topic will be almost unavoidable on the this forum with that in mind. I will be looking forward to Dec. 2nd that's for sure. Maybe this will re-ignite that old Bulls/Piston rivalry from back in the day. I think we can all agree we miss that feeling....That feeling hasn't been there since the Pat Riley Knicks days.

A lot of people are still trying to cope with the loss of BG and should be able to vent and speak their mind, If people don't like it they shouldn't even read the thread. Heck, as much as I like the move of getting BMiller and JSalmons I have to also admit I miss Noc. I think we needed him for that Celtics series (he would of put Rondo on his ass!!!)...but that's a whole nother thread and discussion.

Maybe BG's new documentary will help with closure for us, but until then we will continue to see BG posts and I am ok with that.

 

[houheffna]

Re:Is it wrong to still wanna talk about Ben Gordo

He's not saying he is a Pistons fan. He is saying that he likes Ben Gordon and he likes watching him. I feel the same way. I haven't watched a Pistons game since 2006 unless they were playing the Bulls. Ben is one of my favorite players in the leauge to watch, so I find myself watching Pistons games, where I wouldnt of before. Since I like BG, I also do not want for him to fail. He is a good player and I want him to succeed. If that means the Pistons win more games, so be it.

Also, I just want to point out...THIS IS A FORUM. Many of you are saying that venting on this forum accomplishes nothing and are questioning what we are going to do to take a stand against the organization! Look, I am not Michael Corleone. If I could arrage for a hit man to go wack Gar Forman and force Joe Dumars to give us Ben Gordon back, I would. However, I can't so I am going to exactly what I and many other Bulls fans have been doing....***** about it!! What does it accomplish!? Well it makes me feel better and honestly there are enough people in this forum who feel like me, that I can vent too. If you don't want to discuss Gordon anymore, don't post on these threads and make your way to the next one. But don't try to be some controlling Nazi and try to tell me or any other Bulls fan what we can and can't discuss.

Also this "so your just a Pistons fan now" bullshit a few of you have pulled. Grow the hell up! You know who you are. Everyone in here likes multiple players in the NBA. I like LeBron James, does that mean I am a bad Bulls fan and actually a Cavs fan in disguise!?!? NO! Being a sports fan is alot like being married. You can't cheat...but its ok to look from time to time. If Ben Gordon was a pair of hooters, he would be some of the most lucious hooters on the planet and I would scope a glimpse of them, maybe even stare a little. I might even look and say "god what if those hooters were on my team" (with my team, being my face)...well I know that isint going to happen. So as I would with a great pair of hooters, I will just sit and day dream about "what if!?!?!?"

BTW, Ben Gordon is 15th in the leauge in scoring. Thought you would all like to know....
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I think the victims in this situation are those who speak out against the majority, not those who are a part of it. I would love to see the ratio of people who speak out against the majority and are attacked for it as opposed to the other side. This should go both ways....but it doesn't...

Yeah, I have said that it seems at times people are rooting for the Bulls to fail so that they can be right in their assessments. I believe that is the case, see no reason to take it back. And that is my opinion. Some people say "Four inches baby", I say "Get Over it". What is the difference? Definitely there is a level of truth to it...

Bantering back and forth is not a bad thing. I go back and forth with Stig, pinkizdead, PO3 and others, I don't lose respect for them for saying things I find to be misinformation or even idiotic. I respect them and their opinions. If they lose respect for me, I won't lose any sleep over it. That goes for everyone on the board. Listen to the radio, they call the people who pine for BG idiots, and say that YOU need to grow the hell up...I disagree with some of what they say. I think there will be a period of adjustment...if this stuff is being said in February, March and April then some of you may have to look in the mirror...

 

[houheffna]

Heck, as much as I like the move of getting BMiller and JSalmons I have to also admit I miss Noc. I think we needed him for that Celtics series (he would of put Rondo on his ass!!!)...but that's a whole nother thread and discussion.

Noc was one of my favorite players when he was here. He was tenacious and worked very hard on both sides of the court. I have to be honest, until now, I never thought about Noc and the Celtics series. I was honestly over it after he left. Now the situation is a bit different because the Bulls got good players in return. But watching Noc play with the Kings now, I don't miss him. He wasn't good enough for me to want him back on the team. Ben Gordon is better than him, but Gordon was another piece of the puzzle. In my opinion, he was expendable. And now he is gone...and I am over it. Would say the same thing about any other player on the team except Rose.

I love Brand, thought he was a godsend, and I still believe he is the best in the Post Jordan era (I don't recognize a "Brand Era" or a "Gordon Era"...to me that is nonsense...era of what?). They traded him on draft night for some skinny cat I had never heard of...at that point, I rooted for Tyson Chandler to succeed. I have never rooted against Brand. He is a class act. When he plays the Bulls, I hope he misses ever shot and gets no rebounds. But that is me...

By the way, I would root for Gordon as much as I root for Kevin Martin, but Gordon is not on my fantasy team!