Is Mooney a #1 WR?

[remydat]

Unfortunately there are only about 4 high end TE's - Kelce, Waller, Pitts and Andrews, maybe Hockenson, lot's of teams needing this.

Again when I say Kelce, I don't mean TE but the role as the underneath guy. ARob in his prime for example essentially would serve the Travis Kelce role as the guy that eats up receptions underneath.

The Chiefs O works because you have Hill as an elite deep threat which Mooney can be and Kelce as the underneath guy that is the safety valve but can also stretch the field. If ARob had played like he is capable of and Fields had taken a leap next year then they could have served as our Hill and Kelce.

 

[vabearsfan15]

Mooney has been a good receiving option for us and seems to be developing a nice connection with Fields, but too many drops and not enough size to be a true #1. He has held up fine to this point, but I'm still concerned about his durability.

Small guys like him are a hit away from suffering a type of injury that hampers their ability to cut and/or accelerate.

 

[TL1961]

1055 yards last year. 19th in the league.

Are you guys good with DM as your #1 WR going into next year?

I see a lot of people talking about making a splash at WR in free agency by signing one of the top guys. Do the Bears really need to? Can they afford to? Or would you be OK with Mooney as #1 and then signing a lower tier guy(s)? Such as Valdez-Scantling. (new OC familiarity) Byron Pringle (new GM familiarity) Cedrick Wilson. etc... Then adding a draft pick. (or two)

I personally think this is much more likely than the Bears dropping 15+ million on a big name WR. And Poles has already said he loves the second and third wave of free agency. Also leaves more money for the Oline rebuild which I think will be priority numero uno.

Thoughts?

No.

He is a good WR, but he is not a #1 WR.

If he's your best WR, which he is right now, you have a need at WR, which the Bears do..

 

[Bust]

Mooney has been a good receiving option for us and seems to be developing a nice connection with Fields, but too many drops and not enough size to be a true #1. He has held up fine to this point, but I'm still concerned about his durability.

Small guys like him are a hit away from suffering a type of injury that hampers their ability to cut and/or accelerate.

Stephan Diggs, J'marr Chase are all small guys.

What Mooney lacks is a bonafide #1 QB. Remember Justin Fields comes from the same program under Ryan Day of whom kept Joe Burrow on the bench for 2 seasons and started D'wayne Haskins over him.

Oooops!@

 

[vabearsfan15]

Stephan Diggs, J'marr Chase are all small guys.

What Mooney lacks is a bonafide #1 QB. Remember Justin Fields comes from the same program under Ryan Day of whom kept Joe Burrow on the bench for 2 seasons and started D'wayne Haskins over him.

Oooops!@

Those guys do have an inch or two and 20+ lbs Mooney.

And even with that said, I see both those guys as more physical, and able to win 50/50 battles in the air.

Mooney is more speed and finesse. Maybe like a Brandin Cooks..So it is possible. Just too early to decide that. Need another year to see if he improves on this past year.

 

[Rob Noxious]

Yes. He is the man.

 

[remydat]

For those saying Mooney is not a No 1, do you guys believe Hill is a No 1 WR?

 

[hebs]

For those saying Mooney is not a No 1, do you guys believe Hill is a No 1 WR?

He’s a fucking Cheetah man. There’s no comparison. lol

 

[dabears70]

Unfortunately there are only about 4 high end TE's - Kelce, Waller, Pitts and Andrews, maybe Hockenson, lot's of teams needing this.

Ummmmmm G.Kittle??

 

[dabears70]

For those saying Mooney is not a No 1, do you guys believe Hill is a No 1 WR?

How can you possibly compare Mooney to T.Hill?

 

[remydat]

How can you possibly compare Mooney to T.Hill?

He’s a fucking Cheetah man. There’s no comparison. lol

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How does their production compare over their first 2 years?

In their 1st two years Hill had 18 receptions of 20 yards or more and 16 between 10-19 yards. By contrast Mooney in his first 2 years has 11 receptions of 20 yards or more and 36 between 10-19 yards.

Hill didn't really get better as a WR in 2018. What got better is his QB as he went from Alex Smith to Patrick Mahomes. I don't see how people can say the O held Fields back and not allow for the possibility that it has also held Mooney back. Even so, his total yards the first 2 years is similar to Hill and that is while playing in a worse offense and with worse QBs as Alex Smith was a better QB than the combination of Trubs/Foles/Dalton/Fields in 2020 and 2021.

Now does that mean it is guaranteed he will develop into a No 1 like Hill? No. However, the possibility exists if Fields takes the next step and in doing some of those 10-19 yard completions of which Mooney has a ton convert in to 20+ yard completions.

 

[dabears70]

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How does their production compare over their first 2 years?

In their 1st two years Hill had 18 receptions of 20 yards or more and 16 between 10-19 yards. By contrast Mooney in his first 2 years has 11 receptions of 20 yards or more and 36 between 10-19 yards.

Hill didn't really get better as a WR in 2018. What got better is his QB as he went from Alex Smith to Patrick Mahomes. I don't see how people can say the O held Fields back and not allow for the possibility that it has also held Mooney back. Even so, his total yards the first 2 years is similar to Hill and that is while playing in a worse offense and with worse QBs as Alex Smith was a better QB than the combination of Trubs/Foles/Dalton/Fields in 2020 and 2021.

Now does that mean it is guaranteed he will develop into a No 1 like Hill? No. However, the possibility exists if Fields takes the next step and in doing some of those 10-19 yard completions of which Mooney has a ton convert in to 20+ yard completions.

T.Hill has been in the league for 6 or 7 years now and has turned into one of the best WR's in the NFL and Mooney.......not so much. I'm as big a Mooney fan as there is but i'm not going to compare him to one of the best in the NFL.

 

[remydat]

T.Hill has been in the league for 6 or 7 years now and has turned into one of the best WR's in the NFL and Mooney.......not so much. I'm as big a Mooney fan as there is but i'm not going to compare him to one of the best in the NFL.

Good thing no one asked you to compare them. I compared them based on their first 2 years and the fact they both have deep play ability that they need a consistent deep ball thrower to unlock.

The question I posed is whether people think Hill is a No 1 WR. I think most would probably say yes. If Fields improves and Mooney gets to 1200-1300 yards next year, would that make him a No 1? Or are people's minds made no matter what transpires?

 

[dabears70]

Good thing no one asked you to compare them. I compared them based on their first 2 years and the fact they both have deep play ability that they need a consistent deep ball thrower to unlock.

They're two very different WR's, just because both are smaller doesn't mean they compare. T.Hill is short but still stocky and Mooney is tiny and i get worried every time he gets tackled that he's gonna break in half.

Never seen Mooney make any of the types of plays Hill does going across the middle or going deep in a straight line.

I will not get pulled into the Remy vortex.

 

[remydat]

They're two very different WR's, just because both are smaller doesn't mean they compare. T.Hill is short but still stocky and Mooney is tiny and i get worried every time he gets tackled that he's gonna break in half.

Never seen Mooney make any of the types of plays Hill does going across the middle or going deep in a straight line.

I will not get pulled into the Remy vortex.

I can't help it if you aren't paying attention. They are in fact similar WRs particularly when both were in year 2 of their careers. Also whether you are worried is irrelevant, he hasn't missed a game in his career.

The main difference between the two is Hill is in an O that creates more wow plays like this but the skill set is there. The question is can he build off of it when he gets better QB play. We shall see in the upcoming years.

 

[pseudonym]

Good thing no one asked you to compare them. I compared them based on their first 2 years and the fact they both have deep play ability that they need a consistent deep ball thrower to unlock.

The question I posed is whether people think Hill is a No 1 WR. I think most would probably say yes. If Fields improves and Mooney gets to 1200-1300 yards next year, would that make him a No 1? Or are people's minds made no matter what transpires?

He could become a WR1 for sure. I mean, Colts had Harrison and Wayne. You can have a 1A and 1B. I just wouldn't want to hand the entire OFF on him. And I love the guy. But if WR2 and WR3 are Goodwin and Byrd? No. I'd be fine with three WR2s. Adams is a WR1. Chark could be a really nice WR2 with upside. Lazard might be a nice piece. Godwin and Gallup are interesting, injuries worry me. Mike Williams and JuJu are players I'd look at. Kirk.

I just want guys with good hands. Way too many drops last year.

 

[r1terrell23]

Good thing no one asked you to compare them. I compared them based on their first 2 years and the fact they both have deep play ability that they need a consistent deep ball thrower to unlock.

The question I posed is whether people think Hill is a No 1 WR. I think most would probably say yes. If Fields improves and Mooney gets to 1200-1300 yards next year, would that make him a No 1? Or are people's minds made no matter what transpires?

Hill is a number 1 and has produced at a high level multiple years. If Mooney gives us year 3 of Hill, I think he officially becomes a number 1. At this point I think he is a really good 2.

 

[hyatt151]

I love Mooney but no. Great #2.
I feel a#1 needs to be able to win 1 on 1's with with height and or size. Mooney can get to most balls but if it's on another body he gets moved too much and it makes catching them that much more difficult. He's just too light.

Kirk will be affordable, and fits that bill

 

[Bust]

Davante Adams minus Rodgers was definitely not a difference maker anytime Jordan Love took snaps.

In one of the Love starts vs Chiefs on 11/7, it was obvious the gameplan was for Adams to help carry the team. Love targetted Davante 14 times against the mediocre Chiefs defense and only completed 6 passes to him for 42 yards. GB lost 13-7.

It's all about Fields . . . a bear qb needs to carry the team for once.

 

[Bearly]

Kirk will be affordable, and fits that bill

Not sure about how affordable he'll end up but likely the best option right now.