Is the DH coming to the NL?

[SilenceS]

Its inevitable the DH is coming to the NL. Get used to it.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Its inevitable the DH is coming to the NL. Get used to it.

 

[beckdawg]

Its inevitable the DH is coming to the NL. Get used to it.

Hasn't it been coming to the NL for 50 years?

 

[SilenceS]

Hasn't it been coming to the NL for 50 years?

No.

 

[SilenceS]

You think its not coming? Im not saying its coming within a year or two but the players union will fight for it. The owners are bending on it. I could understand if things were stagnant but this is way more than stagnant. Owners tend to follow each other. If the Cardinals owner starts pushing it, a lot will fall in line.

 

[Parade_Rain]

No.

False.

In the late 1920s, National League president John Heydler made a number of attempts to introduce a 10th man designated hitter as a way to speed up the game, and almost convinced National League clubs to agree to try it during spring training in 1929.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_hitter

The NL even voted on it in 1980.

The NL held a vote on the DH in 1980, but the motion failed due to a comedy of errors unimaginable in the cell phone age. The Pirate GM (Harding Peterson) was told to vote with the Phillies. The Phillies GM (Bill Giles) was unsure how the Phillies owner Ruly Carpenter wanted to vote (he was on a fishing trip and couldn’t be reached). The motion failed 4-5 with three abstentions. Had the Phillies and Pirates voted for the measure, the DH would have started in the NL in 1982.
http://redlegnation.com/2015/04/19/what-if-the-national-league-had-adopted-the-dh-rule-in-1973/

 

[SilenceS]

False.



The NL even voted on it in 1980.

LOL OK. So, it almost passed in 1982 and now it has more traction than ever but its not inevitable. Got it.

 

[Parade_Rain]

You think its not coming? Im not saying its coming within a year or two but the players union will fight for it. The owners are bending on it. I could understand if things were stagnant but this is way more than stagnant. Owners tend to follow each other. If the Cardinals owner starts pushing it, a lot will fall in line.

The Cardinals owner isn't going to start pushing for the DH. No mid or small market team owner would be dumb enough to push for it with the tremendous salaries paid today. The players union may fight for it. It may happen at some point in the NL. I'm saying "no" to the idea of "getting used to it". I understand the DH at all levels of play for player development standpoint and such, but at the MLB level of play, the DH is a festering boil.

 

[SilenceS]

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Manfred also said NL adopting DH is gaining momentum. Expect it to be addressed in upcoming CBA, so could be for '17 season. #mlb
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As for DH, eventually MLB was going to go DH route, with more interleague play & concern over pitchers health. Sure union will be on board.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-b...r-to-adding-dhs--maybe-in-2017-194448854.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-b...r-to-adding-dhs--maybe-in-2017-194448854.html

 

[SilenceS]

The Cardinals owner isn't going to start pushing for the DH. No mid or small market team owner would be dumb enough to push for it with the tremendous salaries paid today. The players union may fight for it. It may happen at some point in the NL. I'm saying "no" to the idea of "getting used to it". I understand the DH at all levels of play for player development standpoint and such, but at the MLB level of play, the DH is a festering boil.

All I am saying is Manfred was against the DH and even he is bending on its a possibility. This isn't just chatter. This is going to be a full blown debate when the CBA comes up.

 

[Parade_Rain]

LOL OK. So, it almost passed in 1982 and now it has more traction than ever but its not inevitable. Got it.

You said it was inevitable that it was coming to the NL and you disagreed with beckdawg regarding the notion of the DH being inevitable for 50 years. The facts back up beckdawg. It only has "more traction than ever" because there are more dopey fans around these days who don't love baseball in it's most pure form.

 

[SilenceS]

You said it was inevitable that it was coming to the NL and you disagreed with beckdawg regarding the notion of the DH being inevitable for 50 years. The facts back up beckdawg. It only has "more traction than ever" because there are more dopey fans around these days who don't love baseball in it's most pure form.

Maybe we think of it in two different ways but since I was born. A DH in the NL was just a whisper with little action. This is going to debate this year. This is going to presented on the table for the union and the owners. Thats why I disagreed with him.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Maybe we think of it in two different ways but since I was born. A DH in the NL was just a whisper with little action. This is going to debate this year. This is going to presented on the table for the union and the owners. Thats why I disagreed with him.

It was on the table in 1980. While there may be a bit more traction than usual for the DH this go around, that doesn't mean it's inevitable.

 

[SilenceS]

It was on the table in 1980. While there may be a bit more traction than usual for the DH this go around, that doesn't mean it's inevitable.

ok.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I thing one factor that makes this year's DH talk a little more than smoke is that the MLBPA, still the strongest Union in sports, has several things they're advocating including the elimination of qualifying offers. The owners are prepared to dig in on that but could say " no, but how about 15 new jobs?". Could happen just like that.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

It's an interesting debate, doesn't having the PA pushing for it equal just another position on the roster for them? If I remember right The Big Hurt for one, and other players hated being DH, they preferred having a defensive position to play to keep them more in the game. Certainly some players would be for it but not all.


FWIW I prefer the NL the way it is, love the various strategies involved . I wonder how Cubs KS feels about DH.

 

[CSF77]

I thing one factor that makes this year's DH talk a little more than smoke is that the MLBPA, still the strongest Union in sports, has several things they're advocating including the elimination of qualifying offers. The owners are prepared to dig in on that but could say " no, but how about 15 new jobs?". Could happen just like that.

I could see that. What it will come down to is if these teams want to add 10 mil in a bat only. I do not see teams adding to payroll but taking away from other areas to fit it into budget.

The Cubs I believe will favor as their farm can keep payroll in check

 

[DrGonzo]

I always disliked the DH as NL managers actually had to manage and strategy mattered. However I can't deny it would suit this current Cubs team perfectly. Keep Lester away from the plate and keep Schwarber in the lineup even if there isn't a good spot for him on the field. I will bow to inevitability.

 

[Diehardfan]

I thing one factor that makes this year's DH talk a little more than smoke is that the MLBPA, still the strongest Union in sports, has several things they're advocating including the elimination of qualifying offers. The owners are prepared to dig in on that but could say " no, but how about 15 new jobs?". Could happen just like that.

Well, unless they extend the rosters it won't be 15 new jobs. It'll be an additional 15 guys swinging a bat while subtracting 15 guys throwing pitches.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Well, unless they extend the rosters it won't be 15 new jobs. It'll be an additional 15 guys swinging a bat while subtracting 15 guys throwing pitches.

Correct, but the potential is for high earners in the DH spot and the pitcher loss would be a depth guy. I get what you're saying though.