Is this worse than Trestman/Tucker?

[Username]

It’s funny how people misremember the Trestman years. The only time the Bears have had a top 5 offense in the modern era. Dude’s problems weren’t on the field for the most part.

Yes the last the the Bears had a QB with a arm and a fair amount of weapons. I think the problem was Trestmen couldn't gain Cutler's respect, or the team's for that matter. Tucker was forced to run Marinelli's sceme which he didn't know and the D suffered.

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[hyatt151]

I don't think it's as bad as that, which means that it isn't bad enough to fire anyone mid season.
After Tuckers D gave up 50+ points 2 weeks in a row, and he lost the defense, he should have been let go. But, he stayed until Black Monday. There will be some rhetoric surrounding Waldron, but in the end, he'll be here for the rest of the season.

you better get new team contacts

 

[Myk]

He is a rookie, but if you draft him #1 and ship out your current starter, he better be better than him on day one.

That's really not how it works.
You'd cut Peyton Manning as a rookie because he sucked more than Fields. Good work. Great football knowledge.

Now we get some insight into why the Bears have been so bad for so long yet still have a waiting list for season tickets.

 

[Myk]

Imagine a football team where your on-field performance actually matters! If you can't perform, you don't belong on the field.

Imagine someone on a football forum that hates all rookie QBs the team gets and feels compelled to convince others that all rookies are busts.
People get tired of his BS so he starts another sock puppet account to do the same thing.

Whether you like it or not Williams is here. The QB you'd rather have isn't.
Williams is probably going to be here for at least 3 years, probably 4.
He would have to suck a lot worse than he is to get cut after his rookie year. It's not happening.

 

[jive]

That's really not how it works.
You'd cut Peyton Manning as a rookie because he sucked more than Fields. Good work. Great football knowledge.

Now we get some insight into why the Bears have been so bad for so long yet still have a waiting list for season tickets.

Peyton Manning in his "awful" rookie year passed for 3700 yards and 28 TDs. He was way better than Fields from day 1.
There's a lot of QBs that were better than Fields in their rookie year. It's not like it's a very high bar.

 

[Myk]

Peyton Manning in his "awful" rookie year passed for 3700 yards and 28 TDs. He was way better than Fields from day 1.
There's a lot of QBs that were better than Fields in their rookie year. It's not like it's a very high bar.

I think that's 26 TDs. The 28 number is the interceptions LO freakin L

Manning's rating 71.2
Fields' rating 73.2

Fire Manning as a rookie. The great Chicago Bears fans have spoken.

 

[JesusHalasChrist]

What's sad is "Justin Fields was better as a rookie than Peyton Manning" might not even break the top 10 most ignorant ccs takes.

 

[jive]

I think that's 26 TDs. The 28 number is the interceptions LO freakin L

Manning's rating 71.2
Fields' rating 73.2

Fire Manning as a rookie. The great Chicago Bears fans have spoken.

Do you even watch football? Watching both of them their rookie years, there's no comparison. Peyton had a rookie season that was better than most seasons that any Bears QB ever had even with 28 INTs.

Justin Fields is a low bar. QBs in their rookie that have had better success than him statistically? Matt Ryan, Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, Ben Rothlisberger, RGIII, CJ Stroud, Cam Newton, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, Baker Mayfield, Andrew Luck, and those are just the good ones off the top of my head. I'm sure there's plenty a tier or 2 lower that had better ones as well.

 

[Myk]

Do you even watch football? Watching both of them their rookie years, there's no comparison. Peyton had a rookie season that was better than most seasons that any Bears QB ever had even with 28 INTs.

Justin Fields is a low bar. QBs in their rookie that have had better success than him statistically? Matt Ryan, Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, Ben Rothlisberger, RGIII, CJ Stroud, Cam Newton, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, Baker Mayfield, Andrew Luck, and those are just the good ones off the top of my head. I'm sure there's plenty a tier or 2 lower that had better ones as well.

Except Bears fans who like to count almost interceptions would be freaking out if there were 28. Even if there were 26 TDs because 28 is more than 26. Been there. done that.
Point was a rookie coming in and playing great or playing bad has no bearing on how good they are. Take your ADHD medicine or get high and chill out for a year. This isn't an instant gratification thing. If you need instant gratification you need to be a bandwagon fan and jump teams constantly. Even if you need gratification at all the Bears may not be the team for you.

WTF? What does QBs who were better rookies than Fields have to do with anything? Then you list a bunch of memorable names that weren't stuck on a sucky Bears team?
Williams has the single game rookie passing record for the Bears. He is better than Fields was.

The part you're ignoring is Flus sucks! Bears suck but they really suck with Flus.
200 - 2 - 0 Gee, can't figure out why QBs aren't doing any good with an inspiration HC like that.

 

[94c4lt1]

I get that Eberflus has a worse record, but nothing will ever match the train wreck that was Trestman's second year.

You had Mel Tucker as defensive coordinator, a team that was flat quit on the coaching staff, Brandon Marshall and Robbie Gould getting into fights, The offensive coordinator at the time leaking all sorts of shit to make Jay Cutler look horrible, I mean it was total chaos.

The entertainment that season wasn't the football games but to see what would happen next on the Bears soap opera.

Prisoners of the moment will point to Matt's record, but nothing will ever be as hilariously abysmal as that season.

You're forgetting the unprecedented drama fest that was last year. RB coach and DCoord both gone for nefarious and mysterious reasons??? Come on, this is worse than Trestman.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

You're forgetting the unprecedented drama fest that was last year. RB coach and DCoord both gone for nefarious and mysterious reasons??? Come on, this is worse than Trestman.

Not forgetting it.

Just disagree

 

[Bearly]

The O hasn't given up as badly as Tuckers D did. The infighting isn't anything like Trestmans last year and the Bear have actually made an unforced midseason change. It's bad but not even close to the TT shit show. Says more about how bad Trestman Tucker debacle became than it is an affirmation on the current situation. It's unlikely but the Bear can still make this season somewhat respectable.

Watch Brown turn the O around and management cheap out, make him co-HC next year and have Flus as defacto DC.

 

[jive]

Except Bears fans who like to count almost interceptions would be freaking out if there were 28. Even if there were 26 TDs because 28 is more than 26. Been there. done that.
Point was a rookie coming in and playing great or playing bad has no bearing on how good they are. Take your ADHD medicine or get high and chill out for a year. This isn't an instant gratification thing. If you need instant gratification you need to be a bandwagon fan and jump teams constantly. Even if you need gratification at all the Bears may not be the team for you.

WTF? What does QBs who were better rookies than Fields have to do with anything? Then you list a bunch of memorable names that weren't stuck on a sucky Bears team?
Williams has the single game rookie passing record for the Bears. He is better than Fields was.

The part you're ignoring is Flus sucks! Bears suck but they really suck with Flus.
200 - 2 - 0 Gee, can't figure out why QBs aren't doing any good with an inspiration HC like that.

LoL. Bears fan mantra, "Just be patient, it'll come together next year".
There are plenty of times teams turn it around in one season, and plenty of rookies that have a successful year 1.
Just because it doesn't happen here, doesn't mean it doesn't happen elsewhere.

 

[jive]

you better get new team contacts

The only sources I have is for weed.

 

[jive]

As bad as the Trestman era was, we at least sniffed the playoffs in his first season. It hasn't even been a possibility under Flus.
That 2nd season under Trestman was probably of the worst I've seen since the Wannstedt era. We'll see if this season can compete with that mess.

As far as locker room drama, it might not be that different. Both had dysfunctional OCs that players had issues with. There was infighting, but I don't know if it's as intense as it was under Trestman. One thing both had in common were weak HCs and GMs that decimated the locker room.

In the spectrum of bad regimes, I'd put this above Trestman and below Jauron for now. The season isn't over.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

What's sad is "Justin Fields was better as a rookie than Peyton Manning" might not even break the top 10 most ignorant ccs takes.

It would be #11 behind Myk's current take of "Caleb Williams is better as a rookie than Peyton Manning" take.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

I think that's 26 TDs. The 28 number is the interceptions LO freakin L

Manning's rating 71.2
Fields' rating 73.2

Fire Manning as a rookie. The great Chicago Bears fans have spoken.

You need to be benched for this week. Your posts are reaching Stevenson-level of taunting.

 

[Myk]

LoL. Bears fan mantra, "Just be patient, it'll come together next year".
There are plenty of times teams turn it around in one season, and plenty of rookies that have a successful year 1.
Just because it doesn't happen here, doesn't mean it doesn't happen elsewhere.

You forget the 20 years and 25 or so QBs that say your way doesn't work either.

So yes be patient because it's a fucking rookie. If you need instant gratification jump ship to one of those instant rookie greats. Stroud was one and now he's pretty normal. Who would've guessed.

 

[Myk]

It would be #11 behind Myk's current take of "Caleb Williams is better as a rookie than Peyton Manning" take.

You can always tell just how much of a moron you are when the only way you can win any argument is to make up things to argue about.
You are a big moron (and a psycho because I think you really believe your made up BS).

 

[jive]

You forget the 20 years and 25 or so QBs that say your way doesn't work either.

So yes be patient because it's a fucking rookie. If you need instant gratification jump ship to one of those instant rookie greats. Stroud was one and now he's pretty normal. Who would've guessed.

Every QB taken in the first round in 2024 is outperforming CW right now other than Penix who is sitting on the bench to learn from Cousins. You act like a rookie QB performing well is some kind of unicorn, while Daniels, Maye, and Nix are proving you wrong. CW isn't some late round flyer at QB, or lower tier first rounder. He's the #1 pick and considered a generational player. It's pretty reasonable to expect him to make a positive impact in his rookie year.