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Not sure where your going with this
But
They were a whole lot more consistent and dominant offense in 2016
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I mean not *really*. They scored 5.35 runs per game in 2016 and gave up 3.45. This year those numbers are 4.89 and 3.52. So there's a little bit of difference there but honestly i put a lot of that on Rizzo's slow start which will eventually even out. If you look at team batting stats, in 2016 they hit .263/.352/.444 for a 112 wRC+ if you exclude pitchers. That breaks down to 10.8%/20.0% bb/k .181 iso and .304 babip. This year they are hitting .267/.350/.433 for a 112 wRC+ with 10.1%/20.2% bb/k .165 iso and .317 babip. I think you can rightly argue that the 2016 team was a little better because they hit for more power and weren't as favored by BABIP but it's not dramatically different.And because I know the comment is coming, here's how they hit with RISP. This year .246/.356/.368 vs .259/.359/.434. Again it's a touch worse but largely the issue is that missing power. For giggles they hit .262/.362/.454 last year with RISP.
I haven't seen specifics on it but seems like they are selling out a bit too much for contact with RISP. That's not inherently bad to do that but you don't want to lose all your power. I would have to dig deeper into the data but i know one of Schwarber's issues in the past was getting deep into a count and not capitalizing on earlier pitches. Working a count is good and all but sometimes the one pitch you see to hit is the first or second pitch in a sequence.
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My point was in 2016 they didnt go through stretches like they are now with scoring a bunch for 2-3 games then nothing for a week...
im sure they had a down period here and there but it wasnt quite like it been since last year, where it seems like it every other series...
2016
3 runs or less/ SHO
Mar/Apr
5 / 1
June
11/3
July
11/0
Aug
6/1
Sep/Oct
10/0
2018
3 runs or less / SHO
April
7/3
May
10/1
June
7/2. 16 games remaining
As you can see in less then 2 1/2 mos into this season they already been shutout more then 2016 total and just 3 behind with 16 games left this month in the total of 3 runs or less games ...
Again it not about the runs per avg..
They consistently put runs on the board in 16, not so much now
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im sure they had a down period here and there but it wasnt quite like it been since last year, where it seems like it every other series...
2016
3 runs or less/ SHO
Mar/Apr
5 / 1
June
11/3
July
11/0
Aug
6/1
Sep/Oct
10/0
2018
3 runs or less / SHO
April
7/3
May
10/1
June
7/2. 16 games remaining
As you can see in less then 2 1/2 mos into this season they already been shutout more then 2016 total and just 3 behind with 16 games left this month in the total of 3 runs or less games ...
Again it not about the runs per avg..
They consistently put runs on the board in 16, not so much now
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Oh no, we suck again! This team just doesn’t have it
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Short memory? From Jun 20th 2016 through the all star break they went 6-15. Over those 21 games they score 96 runs(4.57 runs/g) and that was GREATLY inflated by 4 games where they kicked the shit out of cincy scoring 10, 9, 7 and 11. You remove those 4 games and that run/g drops to 3.4 runs/g.
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It's nearly impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who has such a poor grasp on recent history. Every comment is distorted through the lens of his mind's subjective inaccuracy.
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Short Memory??????
LMAO
Yea im sure every fan can remember a 3 week stretch of how many runs a team scored 2 years ago
Lol
As i wrote in that post.....
Im sure they had their down period...
You looked and only found a 3 week stretch in which they scored 3 or less 10 times but never were shutout
So again it proves that they were a pretty consistent offense in 2016..
But
I think were going away from what i originally posted and Diehard disagreed with..
My whole thing was i feel that if this year offense cant find some consistencies and all..
It hard enough to score in the postseason, it just going to be tougher on them going up against better pitching and teams as we saw last year in the post season with the inconsistencies throughout the year with the same group of hitters...
They need to all start getting it together as a group and figure out ways to put runs on the board..
Sucks getting good pitching with SP and bullpen and lose because they leave a bunch of guys on base...
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Funny for the 2 of you on here wanna crack jokes but missed the part where i said im sure they had a down stretch...
It wasn't even that bad of a stretch cause they weren't getting shutout, they just didn't have a bunch of high scoring games
LMFAO
That you two are gonna act like you know every score of every game in 2016
Move on and go back to hibernating
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It wasn't even that bad of a stretch cause they weren't getting shutout, they just didn't have a bunch of high scoring games
LMFAO
That you two are gonna act like you know every score of every game in 2016
Move on and go back to hibernating
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I just thought you and I were the ones cracking jokes. I guess its uncalled for in here.
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More like only telling half the story.....the scoring of only 8 runs in the Dodger series. Uhh, oh yeah....the Dodgers just happened to score 28 runs. They didn't get beat by "inconsistent" run scoring...they got beat because they couldn't keep the Dodgers off the scoreboard. Ahhh, the Nationals series....9 in one game and whatever the **** they did afterwards. But hey....didn't they win that series? ooops
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Because we were only discussing half the story (the offense) and about a different topic..
Oooops
Lol
You guys are funny though
I enjoy a good laugh on here..
Onto the next thread
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OMG...you are embarrassingly stupid.
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If the Cubs worst stretch in 2016 was 4.57 runs per game, that is very impressive.
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And yet certain posters around here thought the season was over during that stretch.
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Ironically the reason I remember this is because people like you were so fed up with the team in 2016. Think it's parade or someone who has a quote from ommy at that time talking about how the cubs are a horrible team. I'm not shitting on ommy or you. All I'm trying to do is point out that you can't view baseball so hyper focused like this. You have to take things at a 20,000 foot view. The cubs didn't lose in the playoffs because they were inconsistent. They lost because they played a better team and that better team played better.
The brewers are a good team. Prior to the last two games the cubs were what 8-1 vs them? And in those games the brewers choked away several games. This is currently the best team in the NL I'm talking about and the cubs are still like 8-3 vs them. It happens to every team not just the cubs. Were this the playoffs, Bryant definitely is in the game last night. And I'm willing to bet that in at least 50% of the losses the cubs weren't playing their "optimal" lineup.
Presumably you're a grown ass man and can choose to view games however you want. Most of anything I do here is just providing context. For example, yeah heyward was crappy statistically to start the season but as I pointed out at the time, he was providing good underlying data. That context is important because as we've seen results can change. This isn't a bad team. They are a team that seems to be changing their approach under chili from a power oriented team into a more contact oriented team. As we've seen with Heyward that stuff doesn't happen over night.
Now, I don't expect this more contact oriented approach to take as long as Heyward has but as we stand today they look to be a team that is sacrificing power for contact especially with RISP. That context is extremely important because right now they aren't really either a high power team or a high average team with RISP. Presumably the end result they would like is high average team with decent power rather than the great power team with below average hitters they had in say 2016. I'm personally in favor of that style of play. If i had my choice of how to build a team I'd do it a lot like KC did in their WS run though hopefully with more money to throw around. And I sort of think that's where the cubs are going. But clearly you don't get there over night.
Overall, I think these issues have less to do with the cubs and more to do with the game as a whole. I'm sure if you dug into the archive of old stuff on here you could find me talking about this in I wanna say 2013. I saw the offensive numbers dropping wildly and immediately assumed that if steroids were the cause for the rise in power and that is now gone that you'd want a team that played like an 80's team(high contact low k rate). I was sorta wrong about the power as they found the whole launch angle phenomenon but I think that has turned into a bit of a trojan horse for bad hitting because it's made players vulnerable to k's specifically. Cubs seemed to react slower than I had hoped but I still think they are ahead of most MLB teams in that regard as seen by their recent draft picks.