IST: Cubs @ Brewers

[Bust]

ehh maybe. But look at it this way. Team A shows interest in KB. Team B in Team A’s same division sees it happening and decides they can’t afford for Bryant to end up on Team A, so they up the offer for KB.

bidding wars can be created out of fear as easily as out of need/desire

The real key is the cubs putting these guys on the market long enough to create the bidding war

Timing is everything. You got to hope and pray a contender loses a key piece before the trade deadline. It would be real nice if a team loses their closer, lol. Kimbrel could yield big assets.

Rizzo has a broken back. Bryant hired Boras for one reason and one reason only....

Clean house!

 

[CSF77]

I mean you'll get one legit prospect. Look at the Machado trade... they got Diaz in that deal who was a top 100 guy. The question is more can you get more than that.

Bryant and Kimbrel together Jed could pull back a quality player. Bryant by himself doubtful.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Discus fish salesman]

LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I'm hoping the white Sox will keep Larussa long enough to run off their good players

 

[beckdawg]

Bryant and Kimbrel together Jed could pull back a quality player. Bryant by himself doubtful.

Bryant alone would bring back a quality player. It wouldn't be a top 50 player but he'd bring back at least a top 100 player. Machado is about as close as you're going to get as a similar value player on a similar length contract in recent memory. Machado brought back a top 100 guy in Diaz, a top 15 organization guy in Kramer, a top 15ish reliever in Pop and someone else I'm forgetting.

I think there's also a case to be made that Bryant might be more valuable than Machado was as a trade piece. I say that not because bryant is necessarily "better" but because Bryant is a fit for more teams being able to play several positions. He can play either corner outfield, 3B and maybe CF if you are in a real pinch. Because of that he's a fit for more teams which makes for more interest and hopefully a bidding war.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Bryant alone would bring back a quality player. It wouldn't be a top 50 player but he'd bring back at least a top 100 player. Machado is about as close as you're going to get as a similar value player on a similar length contract in recent memory. Machado brought back a top 100 guy in Diaz, a top 15 organization guy in Kramer, a top 15ish reliever in Pop and someone else I'm forgetting.

I think there's also a case to be made that Bryant might be more valuable than Machado was as a trade piece. I say that not because bryant is necessarily "better" but because Bryant is a fit for more teams being able to play several positions. He can play either corner outfield, 3B and maybe CF if you are in a real pinch. Because of that he's a fit for more teams which makes for more interest and hopefully a bidding war.

Kimbrel also has an option year right? So he has a year + of control. Potentially you could get a Chapman or Miller return for him from a bullpen needy world series contender

 

[CSF77]

Bryant alone would bring back a quality player. It wouldn't be a top 50 player but he'd bring back at least a top 100 player. Machado is about as close as you're going to get as a similar value player on a similar length contract in recent memory. Machado brought back a top 100 guy in Diaz, a top 15 organization guy in Kramer, a top 15ish reliever in Pop and someone else I'm forgetting.

I think there's also a case to be made that Bryant might be more valuable than Machado was as a trade piece. I say that not because bryant is necessarily "better" but because Bryant is a fit for more teams being able to play several positions. He can play either corner outfield, 3B and maybe CF if you are in a real pinch. Because of that he's a fit for more teams which makes for more interest and hopefully a bidding war.

Lets look at the contenders:

Team Batting:

Houston #1 19.4 WAR
LAD 15.5
SFG 14.4
Bos 12.6
CHW 12.6
Oak 12.5
TBR 12.3
SDP 11.6
Mil 8.9

Now I wouldn't help the Crew. F-Them. White Sox yes. Keep it in Chi-Town IMO. They need a bump.

60-day IL​

CF Luis Robert (right hip flexor tear)
Expected return: TBD
The White Sox issued this statement on Robert.
“Luis Robert has been medically cleared to increase his level of baseball activities at the White Sox complex in Glendale, Ariz. This phase of the rehabilitation process is estimated to take approximately four weeks, after which Robert could be cleared for a rehabilitation assignment with a Sox affiliate. There remains no set timetable for Robert’s return to the Major League club.” (Last updated: June 29)

LF Eloy Jiménez (ruptured left pectoral tendon)
Expected return: TBD
The White Sox issued a pregame statement Monday announcing that Jiménez has been medically cleared to resume baseball activities at the White Sox complex in Glendale, Ariz. after suffering a ruptured left pectoral tendon at the end of Spring Training. That phase of the rehabilitation process is estimated to take a minimum of four weeks, after which Jiménez could be cleared for a rehabilitation assignment with a Sox affiliate. The White Sox added there remains no set timetable for Jiménez’s return to the team, but the news remains highly optimistic.
“We’re not to the point yet where we’re ready to declare Eloy’s back on such-and-such a date,” Hahn said. “It’s trending the right way. Luis [Robert] is trending the right way; certainly very optimistic that both will contribute this year. But the Deadline’s not for another six weeks, and we’re going to know a heck of a lot more about each of those two before the Deadline.
“For Eloy, in particular, the biggest test is probably going to be extension on his swing since the repair was on [his left] arm, and that’s when it’s going to be most tested. Obviously he’s going to get a ton of swings in before he even joins an affiliate, much less on a rehab assignment before he’s active here. So we’re going to have an understanding of physically where they’re at, what load they can handle and if the injury’s a factor at all once they’re active. Do we have to monitor their workload, for example, once they’re active.” (Last updated: June 16)

White Sox are going to need a bat. Looking at the list they are #5 in O. Bryant brings a needed bump.

I've said Vaughn and Jonathin Stiever for a week now. Vaughn is a high rated prospect 1B that would slot in to replace Rizzo.

Bryant by himself is not bringing that back. Bryant and Kimbrel will. Here is the thing. Vaughn and Stiever impact 2022. A prospect will not. And to be honest how many prospects seem highly rated in A ball then fall off the team's top 30? 90% or more of them. Top 30 list are who is sexy now.

 

[Hawkeye OG]

End of May, I was hopeful. Thought maybe they could string some stuff together and make a solid run at it.

At this point, sell them all. Blow this thing up to the moon.

 

[CSF77]

Well Christian Hernandez just got ranked #98 on the MLB top 100.

So Marquez #44.
Davis 45
Amaya 70
Hernandez 98

Not bad.

 

[CSF77]

End of May, I was hopeful. Thought maybe they could string some stuff together and make a solid run at it.

At this point, sell them all. Blow this thing up to the moon.

Honestly I felt that they had a real shot until Duffy went down. After Hoerner. Wisdom came up and pumped some life into the line up but it regressed back to a HR only team and lost the manufacturing ability that Duffy and Hoerner gave.

Here is the thing. I would offer Duffy a contract and have him man 3B. He is a professional hitter that makes contact and that is what you want to instill into the next generation. Hoerner has that approach going. So these two IMO are key going forward.

Now sure you want some power going on. Baez if he takes a QO has 30 HR power and solid D up the middle. Contreras also. To me you invest up the middle to a degree. I personally believe Baez will take a QO. The market will be saturated with SS. He has not had a solid season sense 2019 at the plate. He will still be under 30 with a year to build up value in a less competitive market. Cubs will need a SS. His floor is woth a QO. If he blows up they can still sell at a higher market value. Win/win.

 

[zack54attack]

Lets look at the contenders:

Team Batting:

Houston #1 19.4 WAR
LAD 15.5
SFG 14.4
Bos 12.6
CHW 12.6
Oak 12.5
TBR 12.3
SDP 11.6
Mil 8.9

Now I wouldn't help the Crew. F-Them. White Sox yes. Keep it in Chi-Town IMO. They need a bump.

60-day IL​

CF Luis Robert (right hip flexor tear)
Expected return: TBD
The White Sox issued this statement on Robert.
“Luis Robert has been medically cleared to increase his level of baseball activities at the White Sox complex in Glendale, Ariz. This phase of the rehabilitation process is estimated to take approximately four weeks, after which Robert could be cleared for a rehabilitation assignment with a Sox affiliate. There remains no set timetable for Robert’s return to the Major League club.” (Last updated: June 29)

LF Eloy Jiménez (ruptured left pectoral tendon)
Expected return: TBD
The White Sox issued a pregame statement Monday announcing that Jiménez has been medically cleared to resume baseball activities at the White Sox complex in Glendale, Ariz. after suffering a ruptured left pectoral tendon at the end of Spring Training. That phase of the rehabilitation process is estimated to take a minimum of four weeks, after which Jiménez could be cleared for a rehabilitation assignment with a Sox affiliate. The White Sox added there remains no set timetable for Jiménez’s return to the team, but the news remains highly optimistic.
“We’re not to the point yet where we’re ready to declare Eloy’s back on such-and-such a date,” Hahn said. “It’s trending the right way. Luis [Robert] is trending the right way; certainly very optimistic that both will contribute this year. But the Deadline’s not for another six weeks, and we’re going to know a heck of a lot more about each of those two before the Deadline.
“For Eloy, in particular, the biggest test is probably going to be extension on his swing since the repair was on [his left] arm, and that’s when it’s going to be most tested. Obviously he’s going to get a ton of swings in before he even joins an affiliate, much less on a rehab assignment before he’s active here. So we’re going to have an understanding of physically where they’re at, what load they can handle and if the injury’s a factor at all once they’re active. Do we have to monitor their workload, for example, once they’re active.” (Last updated: June 16)

White Sox are going to need a bat. Looking at the list they are #5 in O. Bryant brings a needed bump.

I've said Vaughn and Jonathin Stiever for a week now. Vaughn is a high rated prospect 1B that would slot in to replace Rizzo.

Bryant by himself is not bringing that back. Bryant and Kimbrel will. Here is the thing. Vaughn and Stiever impact 2022. A prospect will not. And to be honest how many prospects seem highly rated in A ball then fall off the team's top 30? 90% or more of them. Top 30 list are who is sexy now.

I'm not helping LAD or MIL. Probably not SD either. I dont want him in the NL for long-term... but I do think he's going out West anyway in FA. Preferably, Oak/SF/BOS/TB or CHW would be fine with me.

 

[knoxville7]

San Fran, Boston, and the white Sox all make sense. Can’t see TB or Oak trading for KB

 

[Discus fish salesman]

San Fran, Boston, and the white Sox all make sense. Can’t see TB or Oak trading for KB

I'm not sure what everybody's minors look like but I'm assuming dodgers are loaded as always and I'm guessing tb is as well. I'd be fine with sending KB to either of those spots for a haul

 

[knoxville7]

I'm not sure what everybody's minors look like but I'm assuming dodgers are loaded as always and I'm guessing tb is as well. I'd be fine with sending KB to either of those spots for a haul

same here…LA I would have zero issue trading him to because they do have a loaded farm system. It was a response to zachattack saying he doesn’t wanna trade him to LA, SD, or Milwaukee

 

[CSF77]

I'm not helping LAD or MIL. Probably not SD either. I dont want him in the NL for long-term... but I do think he's going out West anyway in FA. Preferably, Oak/SF/BOS/TB or CHW would be fine with me.

If I could get Vaughn then the Sox would be my #1. That frees up Rizzo to go next.

If it is just system depth it really don't matter. Whom ever fills my bucket the best.

 

[beckdawg]

I wouldn't put it past Dave Dumbroski to do something shocking. He's in Philly these days and they are 5 games back in what looks like a some what winnable division. Mick Abel ++ could be interesting

 

[Discus fish salesman]

It'll be interesting to hear the hot stove rumblings over the next couple weeks. Hopefully rumors get going pretty quick. Bryant needs to get healthy and playing well again. Hopefully Davies has a stretch of good games and can get a little value.

 

[CSF77]

I wouldn't put it past Dave Dumbroski to do something shocking. He's in Philly these days and they are 5 games back in what looks like a some what winnable division. Mick Abel ++ could be interesting

I could see them targeting Story at SS. DD is upgradable. Bohm was a #3 overall pick so they have a long term solution on hand at 3B.

Pitching they need a #3. But I could see them target JA Happ for a lefty.

So the only player that they would want is Kimbrel.

They are more than 1 piece out and under .500 is under .500. It matters little if the division is soft.

 

[CSF77]

It'll be interesting to hear the hot stove rumblings over the next couple weeks. Hopefully rumors get going pretty quick. Bryant needs to get healthy and playing well again. Hopefully Davies has a stretch of good games and can get a little value.

The team most likely to target Kimbrel: Astros they have only 16/29 save converts.

Starters doubtful. It would be for injury filler over anything else. So that is situational and teams will want to see a market.

Hitting I still see Bryant matching up with the White Sox. The Sox have the best rotation in the AL. #7 in run generation so I can see them adding a bat for the 2nd half. Closer is another need 23/37 on saves. Kimbrel locking down the 9th is a big deal.

So there is a potential bidding war on Kimbrel. White Sox have the most to gain as they have a rotation that matches up with any team. They need to lock down the 9th and add runs.

So Kimbrel and Bryant together makes sense here to the Sox. The Sox don't need Bryant long term as he is helping replace missing production due to injury.

Davies is a decent trade chip but he is a #4 on a play off team. Padres are a maybe if they keep having injury issues. They love Davies already and I could see them investing to stabilize the rotation. After seeing the Darvish deal I wouldn't expect much here.

 

[zack54attack]

If they dont trade Bryant and he walks (likely), they get what... a 70th overall pick?