IST: Cubs @ Brewers

[knoxville7]

Nah it's not that bad. The cubs had *nothing* in their system back then. Cubs have pieces now but just not anything elite elite but then that's sorta what you'd hope to get for the trade pieces they have

yep, guys like KB, Kimbrel, and Contreras could yield some of those higher end prospects

other guys like rizzo, Baez, joc, etc could get a couple lottery ticket type prospects.

throw that in with what they got currently in the system, and they have a nice base to work with in the coming years and the $$ to spend in FA to fill in what they still need come the time the young guys are ready

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Nah it's not that bad. The cubs had *nothing* in their system back then. Cubs have pieces now but just not anything elite elite but then that's sorta what you'd hope to get for the trade pieces they have

Yeah they are at a much better starting point this time with a decent farm and a ton of pieces to unload for some more premier prospects

 

[zack54attack]

This is the only year theyve cut payroll big time and claimed no money. They were still paying the luxury tax last year with a payroll around $210 million

They've cried no money for 3 years now lol.

 

[beckdawg]

Also re: it being like the bad days.... another difference is those cubs teams had a lot of bad payroll on the team they had to ditch. Other than heyward's contract the current cubs are far better off long term.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

They've cried no money for 3 years now lol.

Well the payroll was over the luxury tax every year. No team including Yankees and dodgers have been willing to sit over the luxury tax every year...

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Also re: it being like the bad days.... another difference is those cubs teams had a lot of bad payroll on the team they had to ditch. Other than heyward's contract the current cubs are far better off long term.

Very much agree. I think we are all starting to see the light now that there should be an obvious direction

 

[zack54attack]

Well the payroll was over the luxury tax every year. No team including Yankees and dodgers have been willing to sit over the luxury tax every year...

They shouldn't have to blow all of this up and choose between 4. That's the problem. They have cried no money despite getting a TV deal and buying Wrigley. They dump money into other things non baseball too.

In all honesty, the Cubs should be spenders like LA and NYY. They blew money on Heyward, sure. They gave Darvish a big deal. But they want to sell, sell, sell and entered the year thinking that. Shouldn't be in this position at all.

 

[zack54attack]

Also re: it being like the bad days.... another difference is those cubs teams had a lot of bad payroll on the team they had to ditch. Other than heyward's contract the current cubs are far better off long term.

I agree. But getting that farm system back in order needs to be top priority. If they whiff, then they are in long-term trouble, IMO.

 

[zack54attack]

Realistically looking at trading...

- Kimbrel Gone.
- Bryant likely Gone.
- Baez potentially gone

- Would you field offers for Willson? Hendricks?

 

[beckdawg]

They shouldn't have to blow all of this up and choose between 4. That's the problem. They have cried no money despite getting a TV deal and buying Wrigley. They dump money into other things non baseball too.

In all honesty, the Cubs should be spenders like LA and NYY. They blew money on Heyward, sure. They gave Darvish a big deal. But they want to sell, sell, sell and entered the year thinking that. Shouldn't be in this position at all.

No offense but this is attacking the problem the wrong way to begin with. Throwing more money at the problem isn't the answer. Tampa has consistently won with a payroll ~1/3 the size of what the cubs have run with. I'd much rather see the cubs invest money into their development pipeline(they have) than to go out and spend on FA. The model shouldn't be try to be LA/NY. It should be try to be a better version of TB/CLE

 

[zack54attack]

No offense but this is attacking the problem the wrong way to begin with. Throwing more money at the problem isn't the answer. Tampa has consistently won with a payroll ~1/3 the size of what the cubs have run with. I'd much rather see the cubs invest money into their development pipeline(they have) than to go out and spend on FA. The model shouldn't be try to be LA/NY. It should be try to be a better version of TB/CLE

It should be both. You should be able to develop a farm system like TB and CLE, as well as be able to spend like the big markets. There's nothing wrong with that.

Now, are there instances where that gets disrupted? Yeah. Lost Gleybar in a deal (fine with that), lost Eloy/Cease in a deal (Not good now). My point is, the Ricketts went into this season clearly wanting to sell and blow it up. That shouldn't be the case. You should be able to afford 3/4 in Bryant, Rizzo, Wilson, Baez. You can build your farm system up without trading those guys (More difficult, I know).

It's just a shitty situation and frustrating when a team cries broke and doesn't have to open the books.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

They shouldn't have to blow all of this up and choose between 4. That's the problem. They have cried no money despite getting a TV deal and buying Wrigley. They dump money into other things non baseball too.

In all honesty, the Cubs should be spenders like LA and NYY. They blew money on Heyward, sure. They gave Darvish a big deal. But they want to sell, sell, sell and entered the year thinking that. Shouldn't be in this position at all.

I think they'd pay for quality on the field but aren't interested on continuing to pay for a mediocre product that is regressing every year. We'll see if that time comes with the next wave of players

 

[wonky73]

YES!!!! From a seven run lead to being emberassed. LOVE IT SELL BABY SEEEEEL!!!!

 

[zack54attack]

I think they'd pay for quality on the field but aren't interested on continuing to pay for a mediocre product that is regressing every year. We'll see if that time comes with the next wave of players

I'd like to think you're right.

I'd really like to see what would happen if this team was 5 Games up on Milwaukee into July. That would have given us a good answer. We probably wont get that.

 

[jts1207]

Realistically looking at trading...

- Kimbrel Gone.
- Bryant likely Gone.
- Baez potentially gone

- Would you field offers for Willson? Hendricks?

Absolutely

 

[knoxville7]

Realistically looking at trading...

- Kimbrel Gone.
- Bryant likely Gone.
- Baez potentially gone

- Would you field offers for Willson? Hendricks?

yes. Literally anyone on the roster id listen to offers on. Doesn’t mean you give them away for nothing, but if the deal is decent they would be gone if up to me

 

[Discus fish salesman]

It should be both. You should be able to develop a farm system like TB and CLE, as well as be able to spend like the big markets. There's nothing wrong with that.

Now, are there instances where that gets disrupted? Yeah. Lost Gleybar in a deal (fine with that), lost Eloy/Cease in a deal (Not good now). My point is, the Ricketts went into this season clearly wanting to sell and blow it up. That shouldn't be the case. You should be able to afford 3/4 in Bryant, Rizzo, Wilson, Baez. You can build your farm system up without trading those guys (More difficult, I know).

It's just a shitty situation and frustrating when a team cries broke and doesn't have to open the books.

Resigning most those guys wouldn't be best for the team long term on the field or payroll. The one exception may be Contreras

 

[beckdawg]

It should be both.

Not the way the game works. If you're venturing into the top end FA you're gonna get burned more often than not and then that's payroll you can't get rid of and a 26 man spot you can't ditch. It's why you rarely see top FA prizes leading teams to world series.

The value is developing your own players and knowing which ones to keep and which ones to sell before they hit the wrong end of a regression curve

 

[wonky73]

BEEP BEEP BEEP!!!. That's the sound of the truck backing up to unload the sale items.

 

[CSF77]

Looks like it is back to 2011-2014 time where I will be monitoring the minor leagues more closely than the major league team for a couple years.

Well Marquez is still on the development list. I have no clue why they are stalling him.

Davis is hitting .255 at Tenn. He is not going to get rushed.

Amaya DL at Tenn.

Like I said, I would stretch out Steel and Thompson for post ASG. Alozay I would get him to his innings mark and shut down.

At this point with Jake it is more so are we going to burn up our pen keeping him trucking. If this is a yes then eat and DFA. Promote Williams. Keep building up endurance on Steel and Thompson to back fill more. They also have Abbott but he really needs to rework his delivery before taking serious.