IST: Cubs @ Nationals

[TC in Mississippi]

If you're referring to Dellin Betances that's absolutely not happening. His price is probably even higher than Miller's though they are likely comparable. He's been an elite reliever and he isn't a FA until 2020. I mean just look at what the Astros gave up for Ken Giles last year. And you're now talking about 2 relievers of similar caliber in the same deal. And even if the Yankees would consider dealing both which I doubt, you're literally talking the rest of the decent cubs prospects to get 2 relievers. I get people are antsy to win a WS here but you're foregoing the length of this team's run by making that sort of move.

Not trying to be a dick here and I don't know if you just don't follow trade value type stuff but suggesting that sort of trade may as well be suggesting the cubs trade for Mike Trout or Kershaw. Philly got 3 top 100 prospects for Ken Giles and two other interesting pieces including Mark Appel who was a top pick in a previous draft.

Yeah, I don't want to argue with him anymore and I do understand his desire for those players but I don't think he understands how much they will cost or how the FO seems to want to proceed. I think the scouting of the Yankees is due diligence more than anything else. Chapman is a no go for about a dozen reasons, I can't see the Yankees moving Betances just yet and while they will most likely move Miller the price is going to be very high. They've been asking SF for Christian Arroyo and Tyler Beede their top two prospects. From the Cubs anything is going to start with Russell or Baez. The other thing is, and I think you've said this repeatedly, that it's overkill. They don't need 2 high impact relievers. They need a LH for situations that are falling to Wood right now. Really that's it. Plus the Yankees are only 6 1/2 games out. If they stay close they might not deal at all or if they do it will be late. This is a solid bullpen. They're 20th in WAR but you have to understand that WAR is a cumulative stat and Cubs relievers have pitched the fewest innings in MLB. I'd call this a middle of the road bullpen but it's on a team where it doesn't get a lot of work because the rotation is the best in baseball. Oh and the offense is second in MLB only to Boston.

Yes they're going to make moves but if they make a splash it will be for value in the short and long terms. This team has every bit as much of a chance in the playoffs as any other. That's how this team was built to be there with a chance. The random nature of the MLB playoffs means that you can't really build a World Series team, just one that competes for won and this FO wants to do that repeatedly. If they blow their wad on a couple overkill pieces and then don't win it then what? A replacement is most likely going to be needed for Arrieta after next year and other pitchers will be needed too. The farm system also has to stay strong for depth and attrition. One thing that Theo says often in interviews is that you have to resist the temptation to build a super team because you often end up being in no better position than if you made smaller, more deliberate moves. Again if this team makes a big move it's going to be unexpected, it's not going to be for Miller, Jay Bruce or any of the names being bandied about right now. IMHO of course.

 

[beckdawg]

Yeah, I don't want to argue with him anymore and I do understand his desire for those players but I don't think he understands how much they will cost or how the FO seems to want to proceed. I think the scouting of the Yankees is due diligence more than anything else. Chapman is a no go for about a dozen reasons, I can't see the Yankees moving Betances just yet and while they will most likely move Miller the price is going to be very high. They've been asking SF for Christian Arroyo and Tyler Beede their top two prospects. From the Cubs anything is going to start with Russell or Baez. The other thing is, and I think you've said this repeatedly, that it's overkill. They don't need 2 high impact relievers. They need a LH for situations that are falling to Wood right now. Really that's it. Plus the Yankees are only 6 1/2 games out. If they stay close they might not deal at all or if they do it will be late. This is a solid bullpen. They're 20th in WAR but you have to understand that WAR is a cumulative stat and Cubs relievers have pitched the fewest innings in MLB. I'd call this a middle of the road bullpen but it's on a team where it doesn't get a lot of work because the rotation is the best in baseball. Oh and the offense is second in MLB only to Boston.

Yes they're going to make moves but if they make a splash it will be for value in the short and long terms. This team has every bit as much of a chance in the playoffs as any other. That's how this team was built to be there with a chance. The random nature of the MLB playoffs means that you can't really build a World Series team, just one that competes for won and this FO wants to do that repeatedly. If they blow their wad on a couple overkill pieces and then don't win it then what? A replacement is most likely going to be needed for Arrieta after next year and other pitchers will be needed too. The farm system also has to stay strong for depth and attrition. One thing that Theo says often in interviews is that you have to resist the temptation to build a super team because you often end up being in no better position than if you made smaller, more deliberate moves. Again if this team makes a big move it's going to be unexpected, it's not going to be for Miller, Jay Bruce or any of the names being bandied about right now. IMHO of course.

Honestly, I'm wondering if the Matusz signing is a sign they feel prices in general are just too high. Of course it could just be insurance/depth but he's been fantastic against lefties on his career. They are also supposedly stretching him out in AAA I believe someone mentioned in the other thread and it would make a lot of sense to give him as many innings as possible to get going. Him being a emergency starter/rehab project as a starter doesn't make a ton of sense given his age and his FA status after this year. But ultimately that's why it makes a lot more sense to look at LOOGY type players because assuming he comes back well they gave up next to nothing to get him(money).

 

[Omeletpants]

For those with Dish how are you planning to watch today's game with WGN being blacked out?

 

[beckdawg]

For those with Dish how are you planning to watch today's game with WGN being blacked out?

I don't have dish but.... www.atdhenet.tv is your friend

 

[Omeletpants]

I don't have dish but.... www.atdhenet.tv is your friend

WTF everey review says this is a scam sit. Plus they want 2
$29/mo? I just want to watch the game today

 

[beckdawg]

WTF everey review says this is a scam sit. Plus they want 2
$29/mo? I just want to watch the game today

Never had it ask me for money. Maybe my adblock just gets rid of whatever you saw.

 

[SilenceS]

WTF everey review says this is a scam sit. Plus they want 2
$29/mo? I just want to watch the game today

Stop trolling or Im going to scramble your dish.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Fowler gets a rest.

 

[Omeletpants]

Montero batting 5th? Yeah, that will force Dusty to pitch to Rizzo

 

[Raskolnikov]

I'm still entirely unconvinced the cubs have the money to pay Miller. Coghlan is making $4.8 mil this year. They dealt him once to save money for Fowler. When they later reacquired him they made what appears to be a corresponding move for money in essentially selling Dunston to the Giants. Miller is making $9 mil a year for the next 3 which is nearly double what they took on for Cogs. And obviously this is before we even talk prospects. So my question is why would that make sense for the cubs when you can target someone like Fernando Abad who is making $1.25 mil, is Arb eligible next year and in all likelihood comes at a reduced prospect price?

Why can't the Cubs run a fucking year or two in the red to win a fucking championship that will be paid back over years anyway? Winning = money. playoff games. merchendise. expanded fan base. small minded fucks.

2-3 years in the red when you are at the healm of the most dedicated fan base you sucked money out of for years and years....the Rickets are a sham. Another tight wad Chicago owner without perspective about the luck and priveledge to have loyal win or lose Chicago fans behind you.

The money is in the franchise, inflation, and a few years losing a few millions for a championship....??? why is that even a question? You have a championship window, act like you know what to do with one and finish the job. We can't pay Andrew Miller or Arrieta? please. just stop. We sell out every road stadium, the Rickets have the best situation in baseball.

 

[Omeletpants]

Why can't the Cubs run a fucking year or two in the red to win a fucking championship that will be paid back over years anyway? Winning = money. playoff games. merchendise. expanded fan base. small minded fucks.

2-3 years in the red when you are at the healm of the most dedicated fan base you sucked money out of for years and years....the Rickets are a sham. Another tight wad Chicago owner without perspective about the luck and priveledge to have loyal win or lose Chicago fans behind you.

The money is in the franchise, inflation, and a few years losing a few millions for a championship....??? why is that even a question? You have a championship window, act like you know what to do with one and finish the job. We can't pay Andrew Miller or Arrieta? please. just stop. We sell out every road stadium, the Rickets have the best situation in baseball.

The money is in the anticipation of winning not what happens after they win a WS.

Once the Cubs win the WS there will be a drop off in attendance and overall revenue just like the Red Sox

 

[beckdawg]

Why can't the Cubs run a fucking year or two in the red to win a fucking championship that will be paid back over years anyway?

Why don't you go to work at your place of employment free? Because it's a business not a charity. It's also fairly ironic people want the team to run into the red after they previous owners did literally just that and left a giant crater trying to win a championship that this current regime is just getting out of.

 

[Mr. Cub]

For those with Dish how are you planning to watch today's game with WGN being blacked out?

I don't have dish but.... www.atdhenet.tv is your friend

I use VIP doods. Plus they have in game chat box.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

A Zobrist HR off Strasburg follows by a Heyward double? Yes please.

 

[SilenceS]

No idea why Heyward is trying to steal third. You have to be absolutely sure you can make it there.

 

[Diehardfan]

Aggressive base running. Dumb...but aggressive.

 

[SilenceS]

Aggressive base running. Dumb...but aggressive.

Im fine with aggressive, but they will always tell you that you have to make sure you can get there.

 

[SilenceS]

Cheap ass run

 

[Grizzly]

Strasburg not sharp and were just handing him outs.

 

[Diehardfan]

Let's see...Wash scoring like the Cardinals of the 80's, Cubs running the bases like the Cubs of the 60s.

Also saving pitches for Strasdork.

Hell bent on giving away momentum.