IST: Cubs @ Pirates

[SilenceS]

Ok, I get that but He threw almost 70 stressful pitches

I don't think they do that on throw day

I could see letting him face a batter or two or see how it goes as long as pitch count is down but it seems like he was out there to take one for the staff.


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He was on his throw day. They throw a good amount on their throw day and his arm has not been used much. That wasn't tired. That's because he has been terrible since he came to the cubs


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[chibears55]

Even the White Sox are looking forward to the Chicago Classic Series to clean up on the Cubs

If their still playing like this at end of month, then you can call them anything you want.

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[TL1961]

Pittsburgh puts the exclamation mark on an authoritative end to the Cubs.

Baseball is a funny sport. We went from buyers to sellers in one month.

If I'm Theo the only two guys I'm making available are Arrieta and the aging Zobrist. Have to imagine we could get a slew of young, top end arms for them.

Even though this season has turned into the second worst in my 36 years as a Cubs fan - I would not be surprised to see us make the playoffs next season. Getting back Schwarber will help a ton.

We'll definitely break through in the 5-to-10 year window. And man, the parade at Wrigley will be the best experience of my entire life.


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So, we went from buyers to sellers, but will only make two men available?

Should be a quiet July.

 

[chibears55]

@ESPNChiCubs: He said he didn't feel great out there https://twitter.com/lind_tc/status/751979598594867200

Makes me wonder if they plan on moving him and Maddon just emptied his tank out to save others tonight

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[DanTown]

Didn't think this team would have it in them to lose 14 out of 19. The pitching staff has just been as bad as you can possibly imagine the past 19 games. Nine games giving up 6+ runs. They did that only seven times their first 67 games.

The sad thing is they're running on fumes, they need a day off and like seven of them fly to SD, spend two days there, play a late exhibition game, then fly back on Wednesday. There is no rest for those guys.

The very good schedule news for after the all-star game: Cubs play 26 of 32 games in Chicago. They'll play three in Milwaukee and then three in Oakland.

 

[chibears55]

Didn't think this team would have it in them to lose 14 out of 19. The pitching staff has just been as bad as you can possibly imagine the past 19 games. Nine games giving up 6+ runs. They did that only seven times their first 67 games.

The sad thing is they're running on fumes, they need a day off and like seven of them fly to SD, spend two days there, play a late exhibition game, then fly back on Wednesday. There is no rest for those guys.

The very good schedule news for after the all-star game: Cubs play 26 of 32 games in Chicago. They'll play three in Milwaukee and then three in Oakland.

Key for this team going forward after tomorrow is forgetting the last 20 games and starting over on Friday.
Plus as you mentioned, being able to be home 26 of 32 games is a big plus to take advantage of.

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[SilenceS]

The Pirates were 6 for 20 and everyone wrote them. See the picture.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

This has been very, very bad and I know it feels like they'll never win again but they will. One thing though, everyone is upset and should be, but could we please stop the comparisons to the 1977 team? That team had 1 pitcher in Rick Reuschel that had any business in a rotation and Steve Ontiveros was their best player with a 3.2 WAR. The talent level is not comparable. Those were bad players who played over their heads for 3 months, this is team loaded with talented young and veteran players that has lost the feel for winning for mostly reasons both obvious and elusive. Whatever has gone wrong here has nothing to do with 1977.

 

[Diehardfan]

Roughly three weeks ago or so, the Cubs led everyone by 10 or 11 games. Since that time they have played absolutely the worse they can possibly play....in the same time frame the Pirates have played about .800 ball...certainly as good as they can possibly play. That will not last for either team. The best news is that in this horrible stretch, they have only lost 4 or 5 games off their lead over whoever is in second place. It will only take one solid week of baseball from the Cubs while the Pirates come back to reality and virtually nothing will have changed for the Cubs except that another month is burned off the schedule. I don't like how they're playing but I sure like where they are at.

 

[Raskolnikov]

The Cubs will win today.

1) Lackey has been atrocious, and unlucky. He will bring his compete level to get that quality start and give 6-7.
2) Maddon factor. Take care of this game. 7.5 games. Relax. Today is same as every day. 1 game. A little focus, thanks Pirates.
3) destiny

4-3 to 6-4 cubs

 

[chibears55]

One thing I hope happens during week if he can do this..
I hope Epstein can get on the phone with whoever in charge of the umpires and ask WTF is going on with all the BS strikes being called on his hitters.

There a lot going on with this team during this slump, but little things like these phantom strikes especially on 3 balls counts. Can....
eliminate a baserunner, eliminate a potential run, eliminate extending an inning, eliminate extending a pitch count, kills a potential rally, forces a hitter to swing outside the zone, etc etc etc, which can all be a factor in a loss.

We saw the first couple months , hitters patience led to high pitch counts early, and tons of baserunners, which led to tons of runs, which led to victories.

Little things like that can make a difference sometimes

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[chibears55]

@TheCCO: #Cubs vs. #Pirates, Niese (7/10):
Zobrist 2B
Bryant LF
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C
Russell SS
Heyward RF
Baez 3B
Almora Jr. CF
Lackey P

A win today can go a long way to soften the blow of the last few weeks.
It would be a 2 game swing in standings and put them up 71/2 over just 5 1/2.
And
More importantly, despite all the losing it would mean just losing 2 games off the lead since being up 9 1/2 on June 5th.

Lets Go
"A" game today from everyone
Lackey needs to be in control and bring his Fuc you competitive attitude today.

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[Omeletpants]

@TheCCO: #Cubs vs. #Pirates, Niese (7/10):
Zobrist 2B
Bryant LF
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C
Russell SS
Heyward RF
Baez 3B
Almora Jr. CF
Lackey P

When I look at our lineup 5-9 offensively, I'm depressed

 

[Shawon0Meter]

Jeff Passan
‏@JeffPassan

The Cubs were 39-15 on June 4. They're 13-20 since, the fourth-worst record in baseball over that time. A shockingly bad stretch for them.

If you want to go back even further, the Cubs have actually been a sub-.500 team for almost two months. Since starting 27-8, they're 25-27.


Not a slump, sub 500 is who they are

 

[chibears55]

Jeff Passan
‏@JeffPassan

The Cubs were 39-15 on June 4. They're 13-20 since, the fourth-worst record in baseball over that time. A shockingly bad stretch for them.

If you want to go back even further, the Cubs have actually been a sub-.500 team for almost two months. Since starting 27-8, they're 25-27.


Not a slump, sub 500 is who they are

Coincidentally over that time, they lost Fowler, LaStella and Soler.
That changed their lineup and bench dramatically

So, yes there been some rough games by starters and bullpen, but overall you can say the loss of those 3 had a big impact on this spiral.

So, it really isn't who they are

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[SilenceS]

Jeff Passan
‏@JeffPassan

The Cubs were 39-15 on June 4. They're 13-20 since, the fourth-worst record in baseball over that time. A shockingly bad stretch for them.

If you want to go back even further, the Cubs have actually been a sub-.500 team for almost two months. Since starting 27-8, they're 25-27.


Not a slump, sub 500 is who they are

Baseball evens out when you are playing .700 ball from the half last year on.

 

[SilenceS]

Damn shame. Fowler had to withdraw from the All-Star game.

 

[chibears55]

Damn shame. Fowler had to withdraw from the All-Star game.

You're a day late..lol

Seeing that yesterday led me to believe he may need a bit more time off and might not be ready this coming weekend against the Rangers.
Especially since he played a game in AA and didn't feel good enough afterwards to be able to play an inning or two in the ASG.

So, hopefully not playing the ASG is just to give him that extra time off to be fully ready for next weekend.

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[beckdawg]

Baseball evens out when you are playing .700 ball from the half last year on.

Bleacher nation had a good comment on this I thought. Basically saying that pulling random w/l samples like that is bullshit because if you remove the 1-9 the cubs are currently on that becomes 24-18 and is a .571 win percent which is like 93 win pace. Obviously doesn't mean the 1-9 doesn't count but it's fairly easy to massage the numbers to look however you want.

 

[chibears55]

Bleacher nation had a good comment on this I thought. Basically saying that pulling random w/l samples like that is bullshit because if you remove the 1-9 the cubs are currently on that becomes 24-18 and is a .571 win percent which is like 93 win pace. Obviously doesn't mean the 1-9 doesn't count but it's fairly easy to massage the numbers to look however you want.

Why I always look at a smaller sample for how a team or player is doing at a particular time.

I don't look back at how a team played in April and May on July 1st and I prefer to see how a batter been hitting over a period of no more then 10-15 games or a pitcher last 3-5 starts.

Seen too many teams and players start out hot or even cold, and end up the opposite later in year.
I'm more of an what have you been doing lately observer.

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