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I think greinke and Kershaw will split alot of votes on west coast and Arrieta will get majority of votes in middwest and east coast..

Greinke and Kershaw being on same team probably hurts them. .

IN the case of an award like this, that is a myth. People vote for the best candidate and the second best candidate. What team they reside on matters not to the voters.

If this was an open ballot to fans, you have a better case.
 

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IN the case of an award like this, that is a myth. People vote for the best candidate and the second best candidate. What team they reside on matters not to the voters.

If this was an open ballot to fans, you have a better case.
Totally disagree. .. there always a bit of bias going on..

When you have candidates from both coast, voters will tend to lean more towards the one they get to see play more..
 

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Totally disagree. .. there always a bit of bias going on..

When you have candidates from both coast, voters will tend to lean more towards the one they get to see play more..

That may have been true, but King Felix dispells the myth
 

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That may have been true, but King Felix dispells the myth

I don't know. That's a different argument isn't it? Hernandez' Cy Young was a victory of metrics over traditional stat and the metrics weren't close. I know a lot of people that thought Price was sure to win it that year but even a cursory knowledge of pitching metrics showed that King Felix was by far and away the obvious choice. When you talk about market bias you're talking about something else and, like you, I'm not sure I go there. You said something yesterday that I thought was right. You said that if you dig deep this year then the numbers point to Kershaw. If you dig a little bit you go with Greinke and if you look at the second half of Arrieta (the crazy ERA, the no no, etc.) you go with him. I'm paraphrasing but I think I'm largely accurate, correct me if I'm not. I think that sums it up pretty well which points to three distinct paths to the Cy Young. Nothing obvious there at all. I do not believe that analytics have become so completely dominant in the voters that Kershaw will get the nod, especially since he got it last year. That leaves Greinke and Arrieta. The fact that Greinke didn't pitch last night hurts Jake. I think the ERA has to be a little closer for it to go to Arrieta. I don't think 2/10 is close enough to knock off Greinke who has been teh consensus favorite all year. Now if it gets to 1/10 that might just do it.

chibears55's point of guys splitting their votes between the two Dodgers is not necessarily wrong but I think his angle might be. Going to your point of the digging for numbers, that might just be the thing to split that particular group achieving the same thing in the end with the award going to Arrieta. Another dominant performance by Jake with a tightening of the ERA difference and I think that could be born out. Lots of ifs in that equation though.
 

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I don't know. That's a different argument isn't it? Hernandez' Cy Young was a victory of metrics over traditional stat and the metrics weren't close. I know a lot of people that thought Price was sure to win it that year but even a cursory knowledge of pitching metrics showed that King Felix was by far and away the obvious choice. When you talk about market bias you're talking about something else and, like you, I'm not sure I go there. You said something yesterday that I thought was right. You said that if you dig deep this year then the numbers point to Kershaw. If you dig a little bit you go with Greinke and if you look at the second half of Arrieta (the crazy ERA, the no no, etc.) you go with him. I'm paraphrasing but I think I'm largely accurate, correct me if I'm not. I think that sums it up pretty well which points to three distinct paths to the Cy Young. Nothing obvious there at all. I do not believe that analytics have become so completely dominant in the voters that Kershaw will get the nod, especially since he got it last year. That leaves Greinke and Arrieta. The fact that Greinke didn't pitch last night hurts Jake. I think the ERA has to be a little closer for it to go to Arrieta. I don't think 2/10 is close enough to knock off Greinke who has been teh consensus favorite all year. Now if it gets to 1/10 that might just do it.

chibears55's point of guys splitting their votes between the two Dodgers is not necessarily wrong but I think his angle might be. Going to your point of the digging for numbers, that might just be the thing to split that particular group achieving the same thing in the end with the award going to Arrieta. Another dominant performance by Jake with a tightening of the ERA difference and I think that could be born out. Lots of ifs in that equation though.

I think you summarized well.

My issue is if the vote is split, the second choice by default is the other which means the split vote does not help Jake.
Either way, I have loved the pitching this year from both leagues.
 

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I don't care where the Cubs plaY the wild card. I just hope all their bats get hot going into the postseason because that will take them further them home field for a wild card game..
 

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I don't care where the Cubs plaY the wild card. I just hope all their bats get hot going into the postseason because that will take them further them home field for a wild card game..

Neither do I. With all the gifted players on this team, there is a hot combo in there somewhere. That's why Maddon is here...to find that combination when it matters most.
 

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