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Terrible at bat by Baez. He threw one strike the whole at bat. He was guessing pitches and looked bad there.
 

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Weird how that works.

I'm still kinda shocked that Heyward is not between Baez and Contreras.
Leave him where he at, maybe he just comfortable there ..
Sometimes you start moving guys around , that when they start going in slumps, cause they change their hitting approach to where their at in order
 

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Leave him where he at, maybe he just comfortable there ..
Sometimes you start moving guys around , that when they start going in slumps, cause they change their hitting approach to where their at in order

Honestly all it does is allow the pitcher to walk him to get to Hendricks if needed.
 

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Flaherty hasn't been terrible today but cubs really running up his pitch count. 63 through 2.2 IP. Hendricks is 24 through 3.
 

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Sparkling play by Baez! All flash! Speaking of that, Russell was moved to second base in AAA. If he comes up, Baez will remain the every day shortstop.
 

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So, I know what the analytics say about batting your best hitter 2nd but it still sort of confuses me as to why it's better. I get that you theoretically get more chances to hit. I also get that hitting 3rd likely means hitting with more outs. So, from that standpoint I kinda get hitting a high average guy there but teams seem to want power guys there as well a la KB/Goldy...etc. To me that just seems counter intuitive because if you bat the pitcher 9th you're really unlikely to be hitting with more than one guy on.

I'm not entirely opposed to the idea but I feel like batting the pitcher 8th with it makes more sense. Just seems to me you're sort of wasting some theoretical RBI's from guys like Goldy/KB when they go yard by only having the lead off hitter in front of them at best.
 

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Honestly all it does is allow the pitcher to walk him to get to Hendricks if needed.

That fine, you need a guy hitting 8th who has good plate discipline and knows the strike zone..
 

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Sparkling play by Baez! All flash! Speaking of that, Russell was moved to second base in AAA. If he comes up, Baez will remain the every day shortstop.
Said before and say it again, biggest difference between the two is the arm.

Russell can get to a lot of those balls but has difficulty throwing most guys out
 

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Speaking of that, Russell was moved to second base in AAA.
I find this debate really uninteresting so I don't want to go down it again but I think saying he was "moved" is a bit strong. He played SS last night in Iowa. Think it's more accurate to say they are giving him time at 2B because he's more likely to move around and probably isn't an every day starter.
 

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I find this debate really uninteresting so I don't want to go down it again but I think saying he was "moved" is a bit strong. He played SS last night in Iowa. Think it's more accurate to say they are giving him time at 2B because he's more likely to move around and probably isn't an every day starter.

He wasnt playing second base. Now, he is playing second base.
 

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Wow 48 pitches through 5 for Hendricks. Almost all weak contact and only given up one hit. A slapper towards third that beat the shift. Looking great today.
 

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He wasnt playing second base. Now, he is playing second base.
He's literally made 1 start at 2B this year. And even if you think baez is clearly the starting SS(obviously you do) what I said doesn't conflict with that one bit. I said he's likely to move around and probably isn't an every day starter. This is why this whole fucking debate is dumb. IT DOESN'T MATTER! If both are in the starting line up and Baez is at 2B and Russell is at SS they are very strong defensively. If the flip is true guess what.... they are still very strong defensively. People need to get the **** over this debate.

Way I see it, you give Russell some looks at 2B because you want your players to have as many options as possible and then you let joe figure out what the **** he wants to do with guys.
 

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He's literally made 1 start at 2B this year. And even if you think baez is clearly the starting SS(obviously you do) what I said doesn't conflict with that one bit. I said he's likely to move around and probably isn't an every day starter. This is why this whole fucking debate is dumb. IT DOESN'T MATTER! If both are in the starting line up and Baez is at 2B and Russell is at SS they are very strong defensively. If the flip is true guess what.... they are still very strong defensively. People need to get the **** over this debate.

Way I see it, you give Russell some looks at 2B because you want your players to have as many options as possible and then you let joe figure out what the **** he wants to do with guys.
You keep coming up with your own conclusions when I am posting what is being said. You are keeping the debate going instead of just reading exactly what is written in front of you.
 

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Hendricks with the Maddux like performance.
 

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Baez guessing all game. Couldnt read the slider.
 

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Said before and say it again, biggest difference between the two is the arm.

Russell can get to a lot of those balls but has difficulty throwing most guys out

This is complete horseshit. Baez has a stronger arm but Russell doesn't "struggle" to throw guys out. He's quicker to his feet and has a much faster release than Baez. Also doesn't force as many throws.
 

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This is complete horseshit. Baez has a stronger arm but Russell doesn't "struggle" to throw guys out. He's quicker to his feet and has a much faster release than Baez. Also doesn't force as many throws.
Baez has maybe the quickest exchange from glove to hand in the game. Russell arm is significantly weaker. Baez throws about 96 mph.Russell has had right shoulder problems for the past two years and his arm has suffered from it.
 

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You keep coming up with your own conclusions when I am posting what is being said. You are keeping the debate going instead of just reading exactly what is written in front of you.
Where in that post did Joe Maddon say that Russell would solely play 2B? He didn't. I read the fucking thing. The entire root of the article was this.

Given Javier Báez's stellar play as Chicago's everyday shortstop, Russell is preparing for life on the other side of the bag.

Later in the article the cubs 3rd base coach said this.
Turning the double play, it's basically opposite footwork. It's just making that adjustment. As athletic as Javy and Addison are, I think they can make that adjustment fairly quickly."

The point there being it's not Russell alone can make that change. If it were as decided as you make it out to be why would he mention javy adjusting? Now I mean look I don't give a **** which guy plays where. I really don't. But people act like Joe doesn't move guys around to suit a given day and that's dumb because outside C and Rizzo at 1B you've seen Bryant all over the outfield and 3B. You've seen Bote at 3B/2B and SS once in the past I believe. Heyward plays CF/RF....etc. Maybe Joe decides that on most given days Javy is the SS. But let's not sit here and act like there aren't days where that can change.

I'll give you a perfect example. Let's say Lester is on the mound. Playing Javy at 2B is perfect for that because Javy and his swipe tags limit the running game vs Lester that wont help with him at SS since he's not covering. That is why this monolithic thinking is dumb in my opinion. And I'm sure there's other situations Joe can come up with not to mention you don't want javy playing 162 games especially with his high effort play style likely causing him at a minimum to get small dings injury wise.

But again, I really don't see why people care. Both are good defensive SS. Whoever plays 2B is just having a second SS on the field.
 

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Hendricks may throw under 80 pitches this game. lol Crazy
 

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