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That WC game might end up 1-0..

The thing is, who gonna get the 1 run

Which is why i preferred that game be played at home..

Crowd factor, last AB, Extra Innings all could play a role
 

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Kinda lame to clinch it on a loss but I'll take it!
 

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That WC game might end up 1-0..

The thing is, who gonna get the 1 run

Which is why i preferred that game be played at home..

Crowd factor, last AB, Extra Innings all could play a role

A one game playoff is, statistically, a coin flip. I've been against the format since it started. It's just not how baseball works. I'm not sure how much of an advantage it would have been.

Now that they've clinched I'd like to see Rizzo get a couple of days off. Coghlan or Bryant can play 1B,
 

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I'd like to see the Cubs skip Arrieta against the Pirates this weekend. No sense in letting the Pirate hitters see him a week before a playoff game. Also I hope the Pirates get home field. Chances are the wind will be blowing in at Wrigley in October. Not Ideal for this Cubs team.
 

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You just wish they had better situational hitting approach. Castro and Denforia both look to shoot the ball the other way and get on but Montero/Soler/Baez come up there with their big swings and strike out.

This is where I wish a Cubs reporter would ask the Manager a real question or two.
#1 Did you as the manager of this team see the bottom of the ninth as a teachable moment?
#2 Will you or any of the coaches talk to the players about their approach at the plate in the ninth inning?
#3 Did you know 80% of the pitches in that last Cardinals game were on the outer half of the plate and not one hitter tried to go the opposite way?
#4 Did you and the head office not see before the season like 80% of the fans did, that if you had one more TOR pitcher that you would win the division?
 

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i think Baez was out.. but tf is going on with Rizzo? I think he needs some rest
Thought he was out as well. Still can't understand head first slide into 1st base, since it has been proven that you get there faster by running through the base. Baez hurt himself using a head first slide earlier this year and even wears a bulky protective glove and then Fowler also those the head first flop in the 1st.
 

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i don't think we are going to have problems in get in, the problem now is that we have to win the wild card game in Pittsburgh, surely it is possible but i see more chances for us in Wrigley
I bet the FO staff, coaches, the manager and most importantly the players don't feel that a WC home game is out of the question. Win the next two and then watch a see what the Pirates do in St. Louis.
 

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This is where I wish a Cubs reporter would ask the Manager a real question or two.
#1 Did you as the manager of this team see the bottom of the ninth as a teachable moment?
#2 Will you or any of the coaches talk to the players about their approach at the plate in the ninth inning?
#3 Did you know 80% of the pitches in that last Cardinals game were on the outer half of the plate and not one hitter tried to go the opposite way?
#4 Did you and the head office not see before the season like 80% of the fans did, that if you had one more TOR pitcher that you would win the division?

Ok, nice discounting of pretty much everything good about this organization. I'm certain you could do better. 80% of fans thought another TOR would have won the division? I mean really? No one with any sense of logic really even saw this team as a playoff team. A chance sure, but the division didn't seem achievable. Now at the deadline it would have been nice to get a pitcher. It seems the pricE was too high and with the special group that's here and the uncertainty at the deadline of even making the WC I can understand why that move wasn't made. Let's get back to the beginning of the season stuff. No one had any idea that Kris Bryant would have this kind of a rookie year, an awful lot of people were worried about Montero hitting, Fowler hitting and whether there would be a regression from Coghlan. Addison Russell, Kyle Schwarber and Javy Baez all appeared a year away (Baez from setback, the other two as normal development). No one knew if Arrieta could handle a full season of innings having never gone over 150 and absolutely no one though he would be this good. I mean seriously if you thought this team looked like a division winner with the addition of one more pitcher in April well that wasn't based on much in the way of fact, wishful thinking maybe.

What happened this year was nothing short of a perfect storm of things going right. There were injuries but none to the core. Arrieta is one of the best pitchers in baseball, Bryant not only didn't struggle he thrived andis having and outstanding rookie year, Russell came up months earlier than expected and has been a defensive force and a positive WAR player despite not hitting a lick, Schwarber came up months early and contributed, Baez came up when expected and contributed and Starlin Castro, having been left for dead, figured things out and was a huge part of the team's August and September surge. No team since 1901 has ever made the postseason with 4 rookies as major contributors. Some days this team has 5.

I get it. I get frustrated with things too, but to nitpick like that isn't reasonable. This team has overachieved on every level and the organizations plan is a year ahead of schedule. The Pythagorean win expectation at the beginning of the year was 83.2. Most knowledgeable fans had them somewhere between 82-85 wins. Even if they had added another pitcher, say one with a 5 WAR expectation, you would have still looked at a projection at around 88 wins and that was projected to barely make a WC. As it turns out the Cubs will likely win 95 games and be the second WC. Everything went right this year and no one making predictions would have predicted that. There's still a lot of work to do but baseball is a funny game. If you get in the playoffs you have a chance at a WS. How many people picked the Giants to win last year as the WC, and how many thought they'd win with one very unbelievable pitcher and basically no other starter even remotely close? This is baseball things happen. The fact that the Cubs are here is nothing short of remarkable. I get the angst but don't make statements that don't hold up to scrutiny.
 

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That liner by Castro was so shallow, I understand why 3B didn't send Bryant, but that throw home was 30' away from the plate. LOL.
 

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Hammel had looked so good to this point and comes out looking awful all of a sudden. Just like that they're down 3-0. Disappointing.
 

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This is where I wish a Cubs reporter would ask the Manager a real question or two.
#1 Did you as the manager of this team see the bottom of the ninth as a teachable moment?
#2 Will you or any of the coaches talk to the players about their approach at the plate in the ninth inning?
#3 Did you know 80% of the pitches in that last Cardinals game were on the outer half of the plate and not one hitter tried to go the opposite way?
#4 Did you and the head office not see before the season like 80% of the fans did, that if you had one more TOR pitcher that you would win the division?

Sure like to know how you came up with that 80% number regarding winning the division. I don't think there were 80% of the fans that thought they were ready to even make the playoffs. I was the only one of my acquaintances that thought they'd even be in contention. They are clearly ahead of schedule....if you want to ask Maddon something...ask him about that. Situational hitting is a definite problem but it's not something every hitter can do....you have to have good bat control which is something the team with the most strike outs in baseball is in short supply of. Can they be taught how to do it....some yes, some no but it takes time.
 

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They need to stop acting like a bunch a wimps when Arrieta is off of the mound.

Lirano is not Kershaw or Sale. They need to stop acting like he is.

Hammel is another story. They saw enough of him to stick it to him. Enough said.

All said and done I would rather get them in a 1 game. Use Arrieta to get past them. I feel we can beat the Cards in a series. Pirates are a harder team to beat.
 

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The problem with Liriano is the Cubs hitters. They keep looking fastball and should be just sitting on his change up.....sit and wait for it and drive it the other way. If he gets you with his 89 MPH fastball....so be it.
 

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Sure like to know how you came up with that 80% number regarding winning the division. I don't think there were 80% of the fans that thought they were ready to even make the playoffs. I was the only one of my acquaintances that thought they'd even be in contention. They are clearly ahead of schedule....if you want to ask Maddon something...ask him about that. Situational hitting is a definite problem but it's not something every hitter can do....you have to have good bat control which is something the team with the most strike outs in baseball is in short supply of. Can they be taught how to do it....some yes, some no but it takes time.

80% was just a joke. You stat people take everything so literally. That said, are you saying that if the Cubs would've signed Lester and Scherzer and had Arrieta and Hammel and Hendricks you wouldn't have thought they could have contended for the division? From my Acquaintances I'd say 6 of 10 thought they'd get a wildcard spot. If you were the only one who thought they were going to be in contention you need to find smarter acquaintances. :smug2:
 

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Well if anything. This will motivate the ownership to not short change the opening rotation slot.

Ya know it would be pretty damn funny if Jake and David both come from nowhere and both take the Cy young. Then both sign long term here. Seeing how they were college buddies it would make an interesting tale
 

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And in other interesting news. The Cardinals were dealt a big blow with Carlos Martinez being shelved for the remainder of the season.

That puts a big hit on their starting staff.
 

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Ok, nice discounting of pretty much everything good about this organization. I'm certain you could do better. 80% of fans thought another TOR would have won the division? I mean really? No one with any sense of logic really even saw this team as a playoff team. A chance sure, but the division didn't seem achievable. Now at the deadline it would have been nice to get a pitcher. It seems the pricE was too high and with the special group that's here and the uncertainty at the deadline of even making the WC I can understand why that move wasn't made. Let's get back to the beginning of the season stuff. No one had any idea that Kris Bryant would have this kind of a rookie year, an awful lot of people were worried about Montero hitting, Fowler hitting and whether there would be a regression from Coghlan. Addison Russell, Kyle Schwarber and Javy Baez all appeared a year away (Baez from setback, the other two as normal development). No one knew if Arrieta could handle a full season of innings having never gone over 150 and absolutely no one though he would be this good. I mean seriously if you thought this team looked like a division winner with the addition of one more pitcher in April well that wasn't based on much in the way of fact, wishful thinking maybe.

What happened this year was nothing short of a perfect storm of things going right. There were injuries but none to the core. Arrieta is one of the best pitchers in baseball, Bryant not only didn't struggle he thrived andis having and outstanding rookie year, Russell came up months earlier than expected and has been a defensive force and a positive WAR player despite not hitting a lick, Schwarber came up months early and contributed, Baez came up when expected and contributed and Starlin Castro, having been left for dead, figured things out and was a huge part of the team's August and September surge. No team since 1901 has ever made the postseason with 4 rookies as major contributors. Some days this team has 5.

I get it. I get frustrated with things too, but to nitpick like that isn't reasonable. This team has overachieved on every level and the organizations plan is a year ahead of schedule. The Pythagorean win expectation at the beginning of the year was 83.2. Most knowledgeable fans had them somewhere between 82-85 wins. Even if they had added another pitcher, say one with a 5 WAR expectation, you would have still looked at a projection at around 88 wins and that was projected to barely make a WC. As it turns out the Cubs will likely win 95 games and be the second WC. Everything went right this year and no one making predictions would have predicted that. There's still a lot of work to do but baseball is a funny game. If you get in the playoffs you have a chance at a WS. How many people picked the Giants to win last year as the WC, and how many thought they'd win with one very unbelievable pitcher and basically no other starter even remotely close? This is baseball things happen. The fact that the Cubs are here is nothing short of remarkable. I get the angst but don't make statements that don't hold up to scrutiny.

First off, I'm so very happy with this organization. Second, expectations and projections are just that. The so called "most knowledgeable" fans I guess were wrong. Making them NOT the most knowledgeable. Most of the people I talked to about the Cubs felt signing one TOR pitcher made them contenders for a wild card spot. When I threw out the thought of signing 2 TOR pitchers All but one said they would contend for the division. I agreed 100%
As far as the players went, I had Bryant doing almost just what he did. Same for Rizzo. As far as Castro, not as bad as the first half and not as good as the second half. I had Baez starting at second. Had Soler doing just a bit better than he has done. I thought we were fine with Castillo catching. Knew we needed a leadoff hitter and centerfielder. Thought we would have signed a better leftfielder. I never saw the Schwarber or Russell thing. My thoughts on the pitching front were this. Arrieta is very good would be an unbelievable #3. Hammel and Hendricks as a #4 and #5 would be very serviceable. If we signed 2 out of the top 3 free agents, I felt we would contend for the division. I thought the bull pen would've been better and with another ace it very well may have. As far as the line up went all I had was Castro#2, Rizzo#3, Bryant #4, Soler #5, Baez #6, Castillo#7. Those were my expectations and the majority of people I conversed with pre-season. I guess this year they were the most knowledgeable.
 

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And in other interesting news. The Cardinals were dealt a big blow with Carlos Martinez being shelved for the remainder of the season.

That puts a big hit on their starting staff.

Makes them very beatable in a series. We definitely should not want Pittsburgh to catch them. In a one game playoff I like their chances against the Pirates, a 5 game series not so much.
 

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