Ist: Cubs vs pirates

[beckdawg]

So an interesting what if to all of this season is what if Ohtani hadn't chose the angels. My memory was they signed chatwood before Ohtani chose the angels. But I looked it up and Chatwood was dec 8th and Ohtani was announced the 9th. It seems likely to me that the cubs and chatwood had a working agreement but nothing was official until Ohtani let them know he was going another way and at that point they finalized with chatwood.

That's interesting to me in two regards. One is obvious in that you're replacing Chatwood with what Ohtani has done pitching wise. But that's kind of an obvious one. The other thing is how in the world would have his bat worked given what we now know about the hitters? It would have been rather nuts trying to fit every day or nearly every day ABs in. Obviously if you get the arm then you make it work but I can't even fathom how it would have worked. I guess you might have seen Happ down to AAA and someone else positionally up to replace him but I'm not sure.

 

[CSF77]

It was shocking that the Cubs were in the conversation at all honestly. But yes they pulled the Chattwood trigger after their meeting with Ohtani.

But in the theory craft of what if? Honestly it would have affected CF the most. Heyward would have played CF while Ohtani would have soaked in RF. Given he was LH him and Schwarber would have not worked. Thus affecting Zo’s playing time in RF which would have pushed him to LF cutting Schwarber.

That point you don’t cut off 2B from Happ. I personally would have made a trade centering around Happ to bring back a 2nd arm because Darvish would have been unlikely with Ohtani in the mix.

 

[CSF77]

I was milling it over while looking at yesterday’s result. I missed the game and got stunned with the very unlikely result. All things concidered with Monty’s dud the game before I was expecting the opposite result.

It got me thinking is he better suited as a starter? Having a set routine he has spun gems like this.

If so then would going 6 man make sense?

At that point if they drop one off for any reason it just puts the rotation at 5 again vs scrambling to find a emergency. Or a D.H. Game is easier dealt with.

I’m leaning to yes myself

 

[anotheridiot]

they may end up skipping a Chatwood start since they are expecting Darvish to throw saturday.

I sure would have been pissed if that slide at home plate happened to our catcher. I can see taking out the DP guy by sliding to the front, but taking out that back leg, man, that was tough.

 

[anotheridiot]

Lol..

You can see why they demoted a guy who in 7 G, pitched 10 innings struck out 10 hitters has a 1.06 WHIP and 1.74 ERA..
4 hits out of 40 batters faced

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This is the path to the majors for the cubs bullpen. Sending Caratini down had nothing to do with how he was performing either, its using up the options they have in players. They simply take a guy they were not going to use on a certain day and they send him back down and they have to stay down for 5 days, but this staff, an injury brings them right back.

 

[CSF77]

This is the path to the majors for the cubs bullpen. Sending Caratini down had nothing to do with how he was performing either, its using up the options they have in players. They simply take a guy they were not going to use on a certain day and they send him back down and they have to stay down for 5 days, but this staff, an injury brings them right back.

No 8th year in the Minors. 28-35 with a 3.94 career ERA. 415 SO in 534 IP. He is really not a pitcher that stands out at all. Sure he has had a nice stint but that doesn't overwrite 8 years of history.

 

[anotheridiot]

No 8th year in the Minors. 28-35 with a 3.94 career ERA. 415 SO in 534 IP. He is really not a pitcher that stands out at all. Sure he has had a nice stint but that doesn't overwrite 8 years of history.

I am just saying, the way Maddon abuses a bullpen, moves like this need to be made to both protect the arm you want to save and were not about to use. They just sent Rosario back and fourth 4 times between these Darvish DL stints and 26th man for a double header. It cant be looked at as a demotion to hancock, just getting a fresh arm in the mix. All they have to do is DL Chatwood and he is back before 5 games, otherwise its 4 more days to see him back here.

 

[chibears55]

This is the path to the majors for the cubs bullpen. Sending Caratini down had nothing to do with how he was performing either, its using up the options they have in players. They simply take a guy they were not going to use on a certain day and they send him back down and they have to stay down for 5 days, but this staff, an injury brings them right back.

It clear now as to what they did..

With Montgomery most likely starting again on Saturday, they brought up Rosario to take his spot as the LH long reliever..
Farrell was just a fresh arm who can also go long ..

Hancock will be back probably this weekend or right after with Farrell going back down...

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[anotheridiot]

They seem pretty interested in Darvish getting Saturday with Jiminez, they wanted it Sunday nght. They also talked about making Chatwood pitch exclusively from the stretch like Darvish. Seems like both problems are seen as having the same solution.

I like Jiminez being up on the team, calm pitchers, possibly calm Contrares as well if Jiminez speaks up about the outbursts.

 

[CSF77]

Gimmy was almost to a point of releasing. Contreras was playing 80% of the games. So it kinda made sense. Saddly when you have a young catcher like that it really just opens up a game per week which really is suited to Gimmy vs a young back stop learning a craft

 

[CSF77]

It clear now as to what they did..

With Montgomery most likely starting again on Saturday, they brought up Rosario to take his spot as the LH long reliever..
Farrell was just a fresh arm who can also go long ..

Hancock will be back probably this weekend or right after with Farrell going back down...

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Most likely status que til Darvish returns. You are right in replacing Montgomery with a guy that can pitch 2 innings but they needed to replace Butler’s impact also in a RH that got a few in.

Hancock is a 1 inning guy and filled nice while Edwards was imploding. But when Edwards starts becoming dependable the need goes back to 2 inning MR.

These guys are interchangeable and they are just filling needs. Don’t over value or gain attachment.

 

[chibears55]

Hancock is a 1 inning guy and filled nice while Edwards was imploding. But when Edwards starts becoming dependable the need goes back to 2 inning MR.

These guys are interchangeable and they are just filling needs. Don’t over value or gain attachment.

Don't know what your problem is with Hancock or why you diminish what he done with the Cubs but he has gone more then just one inning in his 7 appearances..
He went 1.2 ip, 2 ip, and just recently went 3 innings giving up just 1 hit..

He was drafted by Padres and went up through their system as a starter from rookie ball to AAA and his ERA was in the mid to upper 3s for those 6 seasons, so he wasn't terrible..

Injuries limited him in 2016 to just 2 games pitched...

In 2017 Padres put him in the pen where he remained when the Cubs traded Szczur for him..

So the kid is capable of pitching multiple innings as scouts say he more of a swing man middle reliever type..

He not just interchangeable and filling needs...
Hancock will be back and Farrell will be sent down



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[anotheridiot]

MLB made a ruling that the Rizzo slide, was in fact interference. They claim they could do nothing about the score, well, they take away the 2 runs I guess, dont know if it was under protest or what else might happen other than maybe next time New York WILL make a ruling instead of just telling the field crew to look at it.

 

[anotheridiot]

Most likely status que til Darvish returns. You are right in replacing Montgomery with a guy that can pitch 2 innings but they needed to replace Butler’s impact also in a RH that got a few in.

Hancock is a 1 inning guy and filled nice while Edwards was imploding. But when Edwards starts becoming dependable the need goes back to 2 inning MR.

These guys are interchangeable and they are just filling needs. Don’t over value or gain attachment.

Lets not ask for too much so soon, Joe will be using the hot hand for 2-3 innings once the playoffs come.

 

[anotheridiot]

Gimmy was almost to a point of releasing. Contreras was playing 80% of the games. So it kinda made sense. Saddly when you have a young catcher like that it really just opens up a game per week which really is suited to Gimmy vs a young back stop learning a craft

I think it can just help Contrares. Willson had nobody but coaches telling him what to do. I really dont know what happened in sundays game, but Contrares went to the mound and tore Chatwood a new one and then Hickey ran out. I am pretty sure Willson was saying what he said about the lester pickoff, just throw the fucking ball, because all complaints are he is guiding everything. Now you have a veteran that might knock Contrares down just a little since he is not the most experienced catcher on the staff anymore.

Giminez was not almost there, he would have had to be given his release if he was not on the club by a date that was coming up. I also think he can settle Darvish, and since Lester got Ross, there was no reason for Darvish not to get his guy too.

 

[CSF77]

Lets not ask for too much so soon, Joe will be using the hot hand for 2-3 innings once the playoffs come.

If I had to guess: Alzolay would be ready by then.

And Bears: not really a issue with him. He is a common arm that you would find in any system. I’m glad that he did well in his stint. But again: his career S/O per 9 is short form what you would want to see from a BP arm. He is coming in here filling a role. That is it. Let’s not try to make him into more than that.

I would say the same about any arm that Theo is trying to find a diamond.

 

[chibears55]

For all of you who say it no big deal that Maddon sits Almora...

Another ball in CF that Almora would have caught..
2 runs later

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[chibears55]

Comical..
You got a guy in CF who can't read flyball and a damn pitcher who can't make a simple throw to a base

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[Diehardfan]

When you can't properly play your position, the ball will always find you.

 

[fatbeard]

Comical..
You got a guy in CF who can't read flyball and a damn pitcher who can't make a simple throw to a base

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You enjoyed the first World Series in a century largely due to the efforts of that "damn" pitcher.