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Thank gawd for great pitching during this 5 game streak...cuz the way this team is hitting the past week Cubs could have easily lost every one of those games. Not to take away from the wins...cuz pitching and defense is huge part of the game....just sayin' this team has gone into a serious hitting funk.
 

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Scored 10 last Tuesday, and 11 since in 7 games.

Thank heaven for the pitching.
 

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I'm not saying Almora would have caught those 3 HRs Hendricks gave up.... but I'm also not saying he couldn't do it.
 

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Can we all agree now that this isnt a potent offense because of their average per game and total runs scored..
Agree that it a streaky inconsistent offense that gives you big scoring games for a couple days then nothing for a week..

14 runs last 7 games after scoring 43 in 4 of 5 games before ( 2 in 5th game)

Last 12 games played..
16 runs in 8 games
43 runs in 4 games

Stats say 59 runs and almost 5 per avg
But
You got 8 terrible games and 4 great ones

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I'm not saying Almora would have caught those 3 HRs Hendricks gave up.... but I'm also not saying he couldn't do it.
Lol..
I get sitting Baez
But
Id say the offense tonight could of been more productive if Almora and Contreras played over Happ and Caratini..

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Can we all agree now that this isnt a potent offense because of their average per game and total runs scored..
Agree that it a streaky inconsistent offense that gives you big scoring games for a couple days then nothing for a week..

14 runs last 7 games after scoring 43 in 4 of 5 games before ( 2 in 5th game)

Last 12 games played..
16 runs in 8 games
43 runs in 4 games

Stats say 59 runs and almost 5 per avg
But
You got 8 terrible games and 4 great ones

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It’s a potent offense. It’s going to get better as it gets hotter. I think you need to follow a team with an average offense and see how ridiculous you sound


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Poor Hendricks...
Gotta stop giving up them solo shots
Bats cant keep up for him

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well, the mentality is solo shots wont hurt you. Even JD is saying they need to change their approach when the wind is blowing out. Maddon usually does not make changes like this when the team is on a streak like they were, spraying the ball around. The flags were starched straight out to center, anything in the air would have left in any direction. Gray was just awesome keeping the ball at the bottom of the zone. Lets hope they start another winning streak today.
 

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Thank gawd for great pitching during this 5 game streak...cuz the way this team is hitting the past week Cubs could have easily lost every one of those games. Not to take away from the wins...cuz pitching and defense is huge part of the game....just sayin' this team has gone into a serious hitting funk.

I know. We should be beating teams by 5 runs or more. Heard mlb gonna adopt the mercy rule. Oh lawd


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Can we all agree now that this isnt a potent offense because of their average per game and total runs scored..
Agree that it a streaky inconsistent offense that gives you big scoring games for a couple days then nothing for a week..

14 runs last 7 games after scoring 43 in 4 of 5 games before ( 2 in 5th game)

Last 12 games played..
16 runs in 8 games
43 runs in 4 games

Stats say 59 runs and almost 5 per avg
But
You got 8 terrible games and 4 great ones

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How many times do we have to watch the Cubs light the NL on fire in the second half (and really not until mid-August last year) before fans learn that making sweeping judgments about the character of the offense based off the first 17% of the season is dumb?

Apparently one more.
 

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well, the mentality is solo shots wont hurt you. Even JD is saying they need to change their approach when the wind is blowing out. Maddon usually does not make changes like this when the team is on a streak like they were, spraying the ball around. The flags were starched straight out to center, anything in the air would have left in any direction. Gray was just awesome keeping the ball at the bottom of the zone. Lets hope they start another winning streak today.
I was being sarcastic because of the lineup bats last night..
But yea

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How many times do we have to watch the Cubs light the NL on fire in the second half (and really not until mid-August last year) before fans learn that making sweeping judgments about the character of the offense based off the first 17% of the season is dumb?

Apparently one more.
So we have to wait til July and Augest to see more consistency from these guys..i see

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It’s a potent offense. It’s going to get better as it gets hotter. I think you need to follow a team with an average offense and see how ridiculous you sound


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So your definition of a potent offense is they only hit when it hot out.
Not one that should be able to produce runs more consistently and im not talking about slugging 10 runs a game, im talking being able to score 4 + on a consistent basis if their considered potent, not 3-4 games of 6+ then 5-6 games of 3 less...
An average offense probaly gets you 3 to 5 consistently no matter the weather....

So again, i would put them as an above average offense when their on but their very inconsistent even when the weather is warm like yesterday..
Their nit a consistent potent offense that can score a bunch of runs or just produce runs whenever...



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So your definition of a potent offense is they only hit when it hot out.
Not one that should be able to produce runs more consistently and im not talking about slugging 10 runs a game, im talking being able to score 4 + on a consistent basis if their considered potent, not 3-4 games of 6+ then 5-6 games of 3 less...
An average offense probaly gets you 3 to 5 consistently no matter the weather....

So again, i would put them as an above average offense when their on but their very inconsistent even when the weather is warm like yesterday..
Their nit a consistent potent offense that can score a bunch of runs or just produce runs whenever...



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Offense is inconsistent by nature. It just is. Now the more good hitters you have the fewer offensive slumps, but there are peaks and valleys and yes, some of it has to do with the weather. This is why pitching and defense are so important. You can't be a great team in this era with a good pitching staff and good defense alone, ask the White Sox about that earlier in this decade, but even the best offensive teams need solid pitching and defense to win when the offense struggles to score runs. This team had a 5 game winning streak when runs were hard to come by, that's an elite team. The bats will heat up and then cold again because that's what hitters do. Ask The Dodgers of last year who had a 40 game stretch with a team OPS of over .900 and then a 30 day stretch with a team OPS of under .600, welcome to baseball as Fatbeard said. why do you think I'm so pitching centric?
 

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An average offense probaly gets you 3 to 5 consistently no matter the weather....

No. The 2016 Indians had a terrific offense yet averaged 2 runs or fewer in their losses. You are living in a personal baseball fantasyland where it's possible to build an offensive that predictably scores four runs a game, every game. It. Does. Not. Work. That. Way.
 

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There are 14 teams averaging over 4 runs a game. All of those teams have scored 4 runs or less in at least 33% of their games. The Cubs are just slightly above that at 37% but their sample size is the smallest because they've played the fewest games. If you had an offense that would consistently score 4-5 runs a game you could get away with lousy pitching and defense but since nobody does that you can't.

Cubs are 6th in runs per game at 5.0 and 3rd in the NL behind Atlanta and Arizona at 7.2 and 5.9 respectively.
 

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The 2015 Royals did pretty good with Pitching and Defense
 

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I will say, to everyone who is sitting back saying "Hey, small sample size, you can't draw any conclusions from the first month of the season"... yes and no.

The problem is that this core Cubs team has been streaky, even since 2015. Joe has used late additions to the club (either call-ups or late trades/acquisitions), in what seems to have been an effort to jumpstart some offensive consistency, going into September and October each of the past three years.

Joe has stated, from the very beginning of his tenure here, that this is a young team, and the inconsistency in play is all due to the youth and inexperience of what is still one of the youngest starting eight in the majors. This year, as you'll recall, he's come off of that and stated that, while they are still young, the players in the core of the team are no longer inexperienced.

The Cubs/Maddon narrative of "Hey, you have to expect streakiness, they're a young and inexperienced team" is morphing into "They have to address the offensive inconsistency, this is no longer an inexperienced team."

The fact is, the first month of this season is a small sample size, but it is continuing the exact same pattern we saw in the second half last year. The team is overall doing well, but they are:

- beating good teams and losing to poorer teams

- scoring tons of runs against good pitchers and getting one or two hits total against rookies who are getting lit up by the rest of the league

- scoring tons of runs when conditions do not favor the offense, and vice-versa

It's the same pattern, being achieved by pretty much the same players. And when I see the same guys doing the same things, I have to think that, unless something changes, this is what the team is. Something else obviously needs to change to change this pattern, since Joe's much-desired experience is not getting us any closer to both good and consistent offensive production.
 

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Maybe. Welcome to baseball.
Then as i said, i wouldnt mark them as a potent offense if they can only put up consistent offense when temp 80 or above and even then it not consistent as we seen..

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