IST: NBA Finals Thread: Thunder VS Heat

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It would largely hinge on Rip Hamilton as dreary as that does sound. He would have meant a lot to keep the help defense off of Rose and Deng.

Why do you need relief for help defense...on Deng? Who doubles him? I will say it again, you will not win a title if Luol Deng is the second best player on your team. He is not good enough offensively to be in that position.
 

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Westbrook's not a 3pt shooter anyway. Thabo also turned it over on a critical inbounds play. Is that not also a choke? The Thunder also gave away the lead in the 3rd while Durant was out. It was a team choke.

yeah that TO put the nail in the coffin
 

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Why do you need relief for help defense...on Deng? Who doubles him? I will say it again, you will not win a title if Luol Deng is the second best player on your team. He is not good enough offensively to be in that position.

The 2004 Pistons won a title and were 1 win away from winning another with Chauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton as their two best offensive players. That team also featured Rasheed Wallace who was a very good third option and Ben Wallace who was complete garbage offensively. The Bulls' offense is very comparable to that team's except there is admittedly somewhat less balance (although our best offensive player is light years ahead of theirs).
 

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The NBA doesn't exactly have a lot of great title contending teams compared to the past so you might also want to consider that.
 

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The 2004 Pistons won a title and were 1 win away from winning another with Chauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton as their two best offensive players. That team also featured Rasheed Wallace who was a very good third option and Ben Wallace who was complete garbage offensively. The Bulls' offense is very comparable to that team's except there is admittedly somewhat less balance (although our best offensive player is light years ahead of theirs).

Yeah of course the Pistons won with Rip and Chauncey as there leading scorers because there 2 leading scorers were BETTER THAN DENG......And there's a difference between just scoring and scoring in clutch situations when its really needed.....CB and RP did that.......Stats don't mean everything, its when you get the stats that coount the most...
Deng is just a stat filler who's points arnt impact dagger type break the opponants heart type points............Although on rare occasions, Deng has done that, but not very much....


I'm not trying to shoot down your opinion or anything, just telling it how I see it.......
 

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Oh yeah, I forgot......C.B and Rip knew and still know how to dribble a basket ball without looking at there feet. Plus they can create there own points without relying on feeds for jumpshots...I know Chaunceys a point guard and supposed to be a creater, but Rip back in the days playe both 2guard and small forward..

.Deng also needs to learn when he's taking the ball to the basket to at least try to dunk a ball HARD, NOT SOFT and dunk more than once every 3 games.....those would be impact points to let his opponent know to not get in front of him when when he's coming to the basket, because he may posterize you......or get more chances at the line...Plus most inportantly the impact sparks up the crowd and teammates. That is impact points that pump up teammates......I mean, gosh, he is a foward isn't he? isn't he like 6'9 and have a pippenlike wingspan?.....maybe he's too slow or somthing.......And when he does dunk a basketball its soft and almost looks and feels like layups......Deng needs to get that O-lay crap outta here.....:shrug:
 
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The NBA doesn't exactly have a lot of great title contending teams compared to the past so you might also want to consider that.

I here ya on that one........I been considering this for like a decade now....:shifty:
 
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The 2004 Pistons won a title and were 1 win away from winning another with Chauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton as their two best offensive players. That team also featured Rasheed Wallace who was a very good third option and Ben Wallace who was complete garbage offensively. The Bulls' offense is very comparable to that team's except there is admittedly somewhat less balance (although our best offensive player is light years ahead of theirs).

I don't know why a rare exception in league history like the 2004 Pistons is used as a blueprint on how to build a team. The Bulls tried that in 2007...didn't work. The Bulls have no core of a championship caliber. That is and will be a problem for them.

And I think the league has more contenders than recognized. But look at what OKC did to the Spurs...you don't think that happens to the Bulls? I beg to differ.
 

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Rip hamilton in his prime>deng
 

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westbrook choked

missed a wide open 3 that woulda tied it smh

It's tough to make that shot even if you are a good 3 point shooter. Oh & it also doesn't help when the opposing coach is standing RIGHT NEXT TO YOU ON THE COURT YELLING AS YOU TRY TO SHOOT!!!

How in the hell that was not called a T on Spo is beyond me. You can't walk onto the court during play. Period. Rule book is very specific about that.
 

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Scott Brooks is not coaching well at all. This is probably the worst coached NBA Finals in history.

Why the **** are you going to sit Westbrook AND Ibaka when Durant picks up his 4th foul mid-way through the 3rd quarter?? What did he expect would happen at that point. Derek Fisher isn't going to just go off.

And why the **** is Ibaka only in the game for 22 minutes all of Game 3? Doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
 

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Their line-up for a long stretch of time was Perkins-Sefolosha-Cook-Harden-Fisher. That is the worst offense ever when Harden is struggling shooting.
 

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Why do you need relief for help defense...on Deng? Who doubles him? I will say it again, you will not win a title if Luol Deng is the second best player on your team. He is not good enough offensively to be in that position.

Exactly.

Why the hell would any team have to double Deng?
 

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Why do you need relief for help defense...on Deng? Who doubles him? I will say it again, you will not win a title if Luol Deng is the second best player on your team. He is not good enough offensively to be in that position.

That isn't what I am saying. Rip Hamilton is capable of drawing enough defensive attention that you need to keep a body glued to him. That means that the help defense that comes off of a Bulls' player would need to be Deng's man as opposed to Rip Hamilton's man. That is a big difference from it being Ronnie Brewer's or Keith Bogan's man.
 

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That isn't what I am saying. Rip Hamilton is capable of drawing enough defensive attention that you need to keep a body glued to him. That means that the help defense that comes off of a Bulls' player would need to be Deng's man as opposed to Rip Hamilton's man. That is a big difference from it being Ronnie Brewer's or Keith Bogan's man.

Why would it HAVE to be Deng's man? Help defense isn't predicated on positional/skill matchups. It's predicated on the defensive rotations, that more often than not don't really coincide with a wing helping on another wing etc.

As usual, you show that you have never played the game of basketball before in your life.
 
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