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right,that's not a position..that's an assignment


correct;Thabo nor James are playing the 4 on defense because that does not exist.

Sloppy word-choosing on my part





We look at it from the OKC side, why not look at it from the Miami side? What i mean is, Lebron went to the post because he KNOWS its going to be a bad match up for OKC because he has a distinct height and strength advantage over Sefolosha in the post, and can get some points off of it.

But the problem with putting big men on him is that he can pull them out and leave driving lanes open for Wade,Chalmers,etc...or he can exploit their lack of lateral, perimeter quickness and get to the rim from either dragging them out on the perimeter or in the post
or...he can post up and use his body against the big men to draw fouls and get the big men into foul trouble

the idea is here is that there really is no winning scenario...you have to find what will have the least cons

Excellent point. This is another reason that I went with Miami in the series. No matter which way you slice it, LeBron has too great passing ability. I still believe that putting Ibaka on James and forcing him to hit uncontested jump-shots is better strategy than having Sefolosha/Harden/Durant guard LBJ.

I think the big men should get some more minutes on the lebron..but you have to be systematic(yet crafty) about it otherwise lebron will get your bigs into foul trouble, or he'll know exactly what he's facing every time on defense down the floor

Yeah, I previously stated that Ibaka should have been used more often on LeBron- not completely.
 

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I will answer the question once you cease incorrectly pointing out "errors" which I supposedly make / stop :troll: n'

Not sure why this is in quotes. Your errors aren't in question. They are factual.

I'm not trolling by pointing those out.

But just keep on ducking the question because it's a likely incredibly short and embarrassing answer.
 

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Obviously it is was sloppy word choice / over-simplified of what a defender does but I don't feel like explaining each players' role defensively in every post I make so do forgive me.

Trust me, I speak for all of us here when I say we don't want to see you do it either.
 

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Not sure why this is in quotes. Your errors aren't in question. They are factual.

I'm not trolling by pointing those out.

But just keep on ducking the question because it's a likely incredibly short and embarrassing answer.

These "errors" you speak of are details like me saying

"the apple is red"

And you going on to say

"Ha! The apple is not red! It is red and weighs 3.123 metric units with 30 grams of sugar, etc, etc"

There is a difference between "trolling" and pointing out factual errors. You aren't doing the latter.
 

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I don't really see how it could get too complicated.

Defensive player's job is to be assigned to one offensive player or to one part of the zone. His job is to prevent scoring or cut down passing lanes. You don't necessarily have to assign positions here. This isn't like football. But maybe I'm just not that smart when it comes to basketball though I used to play it a lot :lol:
 

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Excellent point. This is another reason that I went with Miami in the series. No matter which way you slice it, LeBron has too great passing ability.
up until last game..i wouldn't say he was really looking to make the passing game a total part of his agenda

the difference in the series is that harden is not playing like he did last series, lebron is being more aggressive and the post and making it a nightmare because lebron inside causes so many problems it makes your head spin.


I still believe that putting Ibaka on James and forcing him to hit uncontested jump-shots is better strategy than having Sefolosha/Harden/Durant guard LBJ.
durant at least presents some height and has a good wingspan to create problems for lebron

ibaka can defend him when he's posting up..but if lebron tries to drag him out...again, you give an open lane for wade and chalmers to slash or to drive and kick it out for a 3 or a good shot...

plus lebron can take him off the dribble and finish because he's quicker(and/or get a foul on ibaka)


Yeah, I previously stated that Ibaka should have been used more often on LeBron- not completely.
that would be like a team focusing on 3 point shooting with good shooters but playing against a play out-pressure man to man, the coach realizing that it's not working, and then just running isos and lane cuts the entire game

the idea is, completely switching the game plan to another side of the spectrum is not good planning when it presents it's own problems

there has to be moderation to keep the opposing team on it's toes and to mitigate certain problems that occur if you take one strategy to the extreme
 

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I don't really see how it could get too complicated.

Defensive player's job is to be assigned to one offensive player or to one part of the zone. His job is to prevent scoring or cut down passing lanes. You don't necessarily have to assign positions here. This isn't like football. But maybe I'm just not that smart when it comes to basketball though I used to play it a lot :lol:

Thabo had been assigned to LeBron's position (PF) at times and that was his first and foremost responsibility. Other possessions, it was Harden and others it was Durant. Everything else is just semantics.
 

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These "errors" you speak of are details like me saying

"the apple is red"

And you going on to say

"Ha! The apple is not red! It is red and weighs 3.123 metric units with 30 grams of sugar, etc, etc"
Umm its actually not.

It's more akin to you calling the apple a banana when it's in packaging since a banana has a natural packaging.

Pointing out that Thabo Sefolosha is not playing PF for the Thunder is in fact pointing out a factual error.

Get over it
 

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up until last game..i wouldn't say he was really looking to make the passing game a total part of his agenda

the difference in the series is that harden is not playing like he did last series, lebron is being more aggressive and the post and making it a nightmare because lebron inside causes so many problems it makes your head spin.



durant at least presents some height and has a good wingspan to create problems for lebron

ibaka can defend him when he's posting up..but if lebron tries to drag him out...again, you give an open lane for wade and chalmers to slash or to drive and kick it out for a 3 or a good shot...

plus lebron can take him off the dribble and finish because he's quicker(and/or get a foul on ibaka)



that would be like a team focusing on 3 point shooting with good shooters but playing against a play out-pressure man to man, the coach realizing that it's not working, and then just running isos and lane cuts the entire game

the idea is, completely switching the game plan to another side of the spectrum is not good planning when it presents it's own problems

there has to be moderation to keep the opposing team on it's toes and to mitigate certain problems that occur if you take one strategy to the extreme

Right... what I am saying is that OKC should have had that be apart of their defensive strategy. It isn't as though OKC isn't capable of pushing the ball in-transition with Perkins+Ibaka on the floor. And they are also better served on the boards with both of them on the floor as well. OKC's shot-blocking/interior defense would have made LeBron James think twice on a couple of those overpowering drives about pounding the ball inside.
 

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Thabo had been assigned to LeBron's position (PF) at times and that was his first and foremost responsibility. Other possessions, it was Harden and others it was Durant. Everything else is just semantics.

So...they switched matchups? :lol:
 

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Umm its actually not.

It's more akin to you calling the apple a banana when it's in packaging since a banana has a natural packaging.

Pointing out that Thabo Sefolosha is not playing PF for the Thunder is in fact pointing out a factual error.

Get over it

It is semantics. You are calling out sloppy word-choices- not exactly factual errors based on the intent of what I actually meant.
 

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This whole conversation is just a cluster of confusion and bickering...

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Thabo had been assigned to LeBron's position (PF) at times and that was his first and foremost responsibility. Other possessions, it was Harden and others it was Durant. Everything else is just semantics.

correct...but that's an assignment,not a position

it's not semantics...no player ever plays point guard on defense,shooting guard on defense, or any other position

you are assigned to a player, not a position
 
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