IST: NBA Finals Thread: Thunder VS Heat

[FirstTimer]

the assigned spot is for zone...even then it's not really defined as a position because guys still switch off and move to other defenders depending on what is convenient

Plus you have zone variants like the Box and 1(although a bit gimmicky), and some "point zones"(our terminology) that start out as 1-2-2's and change to 2-3's and 3-2's

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Plus you have zone variants like the Box and 1(although a bit gimmicky), and some "point zones"(our terminology) that start out as 1-2-2's and change to 2-3's and 3-2's

yep

you forgot the great Michigan 1-3-1

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

So you are saying I was no Boris Diaw?

you>boris diaw>james

 

[BNB]

..................

I'm listening.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUOB8MN4Kc]Mr Burns - Excellent - YouTube[/ame]



Is it me... or does anyone else think Mr. Burns sounds like a feminine asian boy in that clip?

 

[Rice Cube]

the assigned spot is for zone...even then it's not really defined as a position because guys still switch off and move to other defenders depending on what is convenient

Yeah, I mean, you normally have a guy to guard, or a set of two guys to watch within a certain area. Switch if necessary. But I think both the offense and defense move so much that it's hard to assign a position to anyone.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Never heard "play power forward on defense"

definitely heard "guard your man on defense" or "switch off"

defense isn't positional lol

the basketball position labels used derive from their offensive purposes...the position is difficult to define defensively because it doesn't really exist

Most defensive plays predicate on flexible strategy, where guys might have to continually switch off or help in reaction...there's no real position on defense...

Each defensive possession (in a non-zone) starts out with each player having an assignment player which they are responsible for on offense regardless of whether or not that assignment will change for the next possession. There are switch-offs and double-teams that do occur within a defensive possession. All in all, LeBron James was playing in the high-post as the team's PF and Thabo Sefolosha/James Harden were responsible for covering him for much of that time. It was a horrible match-up for OKC on the boards and trying to defend the paint.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Yeah, I mean, you normally have a guy to guard, or a set of two guys to watch within a certain area. Switch if necessary. But I think both the offense and defense move so much that it's hard to assign a position to anyone.

well ya, the offense has great flexibility as well, but at the end of the day you have 5 guys on the floor that are assigned the 5 positions as defined offensively

the roles that the position entails more specifically is predicated on the gameplan or offensive agenda

when you talk about offense you usally talk in terms of 1-5...the 1 does this, the 2 does that..etc.

so the positions are defined technically, but some of the specifics are left for the playbook

 

[FirstTimer]

Each defensive possession (in a non-zone) starts out with each player having an assignment player which they are responsible for on offense regardless of whether or not that assignment will change for the next possession. There are switch-offs and double-teams that do occur within a defensive possession. All in all, LeBron James was playing in the high-post as the team's PF and Thabo Sefolosha/James Harden were responsible for covering him for much of that time. It was a horrible match-up for OKC on the boards and trying to defend the paint.

Yet none of this means that Thabo Sefolosha was playing power forward.

Again, what has your life involvement been with the sport of basketball, outside of being a seemingly horrid fan?

I normally wouldn't ask but virtually everything you say is either so blatantly obvious or off the reservation that I have to wonder.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Each defensive possession (in a non-zone) starts out with each player having an assignment player which they are responsible for on offense regardless of whether or not that assignment will change for the next possession.

right,that's not a position..that's an assignment

There are switch-offs and double-teams that do occur within a defensive possession.

ok

All in all, LeBron James was playing in the high-post as the team's PF and Thabo Sefolosha/James Harden were responsible for covering him for much of that time.

correct;Thabo nor James are playing the 4 on defense because that does not exist.

It was a horrible match-up for OKC on the boards and trying to defend the paint.

We look at it from the OKC side, why not look at it from the Miami side?

What i mean is, Lebron went to the post because he KNOWS its going to be a bad match up for OKC because he has a distinct height and strength advantage over Sefolosha in the post, and can get some points off of it.

But the problem with putting big men on him is that he can pull them out and leave driving lanes open for Wade,Chalmers,etc...or he can exploit their lack of lateral, perimeter quickness and get to the rim from either dragging them out on the perimeter or in the post

or...he can post up and use his body against the big men to draw fouls and get the big men into foul trouble

the idea is here is that there really is no winning scenario...you have to find what will have the least cons

I think the big men should get some more minutes on the lebron..but you have to be systematic(yet crafty) about it otherwise lebron will get your bigs into foul trouble, or he'll know exactly what he's facing every time on defense down the floor

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yet none of this means that Thabo Sefolosha was playing power forward.

Again, what has your life involvement been with the sport of basketball, outside of being a seemingly horrid fan.

I normally wouldn't ask but virtually everything you say is either so blatantly obvious or off the reservation that I have to wonder.

Sefolosha has been guarding the opposing team's power forward which has its clear disadvantages for the Thunder and so was James Harden. That might have a lot to do with why you and others were wrong about OKC being the 'better rebounding team.' LeBron James isn't exactly the most traditional power forward but he certainly does have the physical capability of being in that offensive role. The Thunder have been guarding LeBron too much one-on-one as it is. They finally put some more help on him in Game 4 and he killed them with his passing instead. That is why I would've prefered a more natural defender of the PF position, in Serge Ibaka, guarding LeBron James. James can't bully Ibaka to the extent that he does Harden or Thabo.

 

[FirstTimer]

Sefolosha has been guarding the opposing team's power forward which has its clear disadvantages for the Thunder and so was James Harden. That might have a lot to do with why you and others were wrong about OKC being the 'better rebounding team.'

I never claimed OKC was the better rebounding team......

LeBron James isn't exactly the most traditional power forward but he certainly does have the physical capability of being in that offensive role. The Thunder have been guarding LeBron too much one-on-one as it is. They finally put some more help on him in Game 4 and he killed them with his passing instead. That is why I would've prefered a more natural defender of the PF position, in Serge Ibaka, guarding LeBron James. James can't bully Ibaka to the extent that he does Harden or Thabo.

And none of this still says that Thabo is playing PF.

Thabo is defending Lebron James. Thabo Sefolosha is the Thunders SG/2 guard. Lebron James plays all over the floor.

/fin

Also, way to avoid my srs question to you.

 

[Rice Cube]

So, its also true that an offensive player switches position depending on where he is on the court? So, when a guard posts up his position switches to center, if he goes to the high post to set a screen he becomes a power forward, etc.?

That must be very confusing for the announcer, with both the offensive player and the defensive player constantly switching positions as they jog around the court.

"Wade with the ball, playing point...he switches to PF as he backs Harden down as Harden also switches to PF...Wade passes out to shooting guard Chris Bosh in the corner...Bosh pump fakes then switches to small forward and slashes into the lane! Bosh jumps up, switches to center, and dunks!!"

I want there to be a Transformers sound whenever they switch then. That would be awesome.

AutoBosh...transform!

 

[Deng Defense Force]

:lol: that's pretty sick, but let's give Hue a break now.
He's a pretty sensitive guy.......and I don't want him blaming me for this outrage.
In a way I think he chose OKC in 6 only because I chose Miami in 6.....He posted that quote like right after I posted my predictions of Miami winning in 6.
That's the only logical explanation for his contradictions and going against his own beliefs...He hates me so much that he wanted to post the opposite opinion of mine, even if it meant giving up his loyalty to King James, which he did.

That's my hypothosis on this dreadful fumble.

Maybe that was a reason or a contributing factor. But we all know the main reason he picked the Thunder was because he didn't have the balls to put his money where his mouth was all year. By doing this, he gets to cover his ass if Miami loses, and if they win, he gets to say "see, I told you so all year".

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I love your Lefty-esque tone of talking down to us as if we are the ones in the wrong. Yes, we all know about switches and double-teams...you aren't talking to a bunch of Chinese people who just saw their first basketball game.

You incorrectly said that Sefolosha has spent a large chunk of his time playing PF. You then said that Sefolosha was playing PF, but only on defense. You said that each player plays two positions...one on offense, one on defense.

So, all in all, WTF are you talking about?

...which is why I told you what I meant by those vague declarations. You're welcome.

 

[FirstTimer]

...which is why I told you what I meant by those vague declarations. You're welcome.

Again, what has your life involvement been with the sport of basketball, outside of being a seemingly horrid fan?

 

[Deng Defense Force]

who are these people? If I saw those stats, I wouldn't look into it any more than what it's showing. And what it was showing was how many shots each team took from a certain spot on the floor.

from your last post:



No one said that. I did write "took it to the rim" but what I meant was shots attempted at the rim... and if you looked at the links, you would have got what I meant since the number was right there showing how many times each team "took it to the rim"

The stats I showed were just basic and pretty straightforward trying to show 1 thing. I think you looked into it too much. That, or you took "took it to the rim" too literally.
Based on the previous quote and this:



I think you might have taken it too literally.

You shouldn't even bother arguing with him or his minions. Everyone already knows that stats are the number one enemy of the Circle Jerk Gang.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Again, what has your life involvement been with the sport of basketball, outside of being a seemingly horrid fan?

I will answer the question once you cease incorrectly pointing out "errors" which I supposedly make / stop n'

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I will answer the question once you cease incorrectly pointing out "errors" which I supposedly make / stop n'

guess we'll never know then

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

"playing as the power forward on defense" -> "guarding/being assigned defensively to the power forward"

tomahto -> tomato

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

"playing as the power forward on defense" -> "guarding/being assigned defensively to the power forward"

tomahto -> tomato

that's not semantics