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Rami knew about Ibaka before any of us, so there's that
 

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Totally agree with this. I can't believe we pretty much gave him away to the Thunder, but I suppose at the time it made some sense. He's really thrived since joining them though.

Not true, we traded Thabo for a first-round selection, which we used to get Taj Gibson. Can't say that trade was indefensible :smug:
 

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Not true, we traded Thabo for a first-round selection, which we used to get Taj Gibson. Can't say that trade was indefensible :smug:

Oh I thought we traded him for a second rounder. If that was indeed the case, then I retract the giving away part of my statement.
 

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Wonderful game last night. Would everyone agree that it's fair to say Durant is clearly the second best player in the NBA? The guy's fourth quarter performance was absolutely fantastic. The dimensions he's added to his game have really made him an all-around threat.

Did anyone see those clips of Durant going up against LeBron when he was in Cleveland? It was cool watching those guys go at it before their games became a bit more refined. I remember all the flack guys were giving Durant about his weight, and the fact that they never thought he'd excel on the glass or on defense :lol:. While he's not a lockdown defender, he can certainly hold his own against the league's better offensive players.
 

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Yeah Durant's not a lockdown defender by any means, but he's definitely smart and knows where to pick his spots. During the game I thought he was being really tentative a lot of times when Lebron was driving, but I figure it's because he didn't want to pick up fouls/give up and one's so I'll let it go. He's definitely shown improvement as a helpside defender though.
 

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For a while now, its been fair to say that Durant is the 2nd best player in the league. If he wins this series and a ring before LeBron, many will regard him as the best. It is pretty crazy thinking one of these two future HOFs will get their first ring. Very enjoyable game 1 and hopefully the rest of the series as well.
 

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-I :lol: at the post game where Jon Berry knew the game was over when the Heat were still up 4 and essentially the reasoning was Spoelstra is such a terrible coach that the Heat have no counters to what OKC was throwing at them.

-Miami can still win this series obviously but it's going to take a James/Wade combo like what we saw at the end of the Pacers series.

-Spoelstra being over matched by Brooks is hilariously pathetic.

-Wade can't check Westbrook, and both he and Westbrook know it. It's pretty funny to watch.

-Wade costs the Heat at least 4-6 points a game in transition where rather than getting back on defense he stands and bitches at the official.

You should read some of the post-game comments by Lebron. He isn't totally throwing Spo under the bus but he certainly doesn't seem to have his back either.

LeBron: "We have to get more guys in there to give me and D-Wade rest."

LeBron James on guarding Perkins at start: "That wasn't my choice. It was a suggestion Spo brought up. It was good early on for us.''

Lebron is your best defender & you tell him to guard Perkins? :lmao:

Looks like Miami didn't compete like it's their last breath. But go ahead & keep using that tired, cliched rhetoric Spo. Your players sure seem to be responding to it. :lol:
 

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i think spo is trying to sabotage..he has to be
 

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Amazingly...nearly every point brought up by Rami for this game was wrong...



1) Bosh was not a problem. His +/- was negative 16
2) Perkins had 0 fouls
3) Harden played fewer minutes than Fisher (22)



Fisher had 25 minutes, Sefolosha had 29 minutes.



Sefolosha's +/- was plus 14



1) Sefolosha had 9 points, Harden had 5
2) Collison almost single-handedly outrebounded the Heat in only 21 minutes. OKC outrebounded the Heat, had fewer fouls, and gave up only 4 fastbreak points to Miami giving up 24.

Because +/- is the key statistic for all of basketball. Brilliant.

The Thunder are up 1-0. They still need to win the next game seeing as the 3 after that are in Miami. This series is far from over.
 

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i think spo is trying to sabotage..he has to be

If they should lose the series & something like that starts up with the media...I'll be laughing. Cause it would be obvious he would get canned for losing.

Not completely sold on it actually being the case though. :smug2:
 

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Because +/- is the key statistic for all of basketball. Brilliant.

The Thunder are up 1-0. They still need to win the next game seeing as the 3 after that are in Miami. This series is far from over.

bosh was 4-11 and had 10 points

the idea was that he played pretty badly and was not much of a factor

thabo had nine points and came up with some steals to create some opportunities for the okc and played tremendous defense as always....and played 29 minutes

durant plays good D on lebron, as i thought he would

the heat got out-rebounded, which doesn't surprise me at all

and OKC still can't be beat at home....
 

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I didn't say the Thunder are going to sweep the Heat...all I said was that you were wrong. I didn't even think that was newsworthy at this point...more like "stating the obvious".

1/4th of the series is over at the extreme most. Sefolosha shouldn't be averaging more minutes than Harden by the end of it. When the scene shifts over to Miami, we will see if the Thunder bigs start getting in foul trouble or not. Bosh will end up as a major factor offensively. It all hinges on Wade's knee and it seems like he is settling for jumpers and might have had one floater with another Euro-step lay-up.
 

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1/4th of the series is over at the extreme most. Sefolosha shouldn't be averaging more minutes than Harden by the end of it. When the scene shifts over to Miami, we will see if the Thunder bigs start getting in foul trouble or not. Bosh will end up as a major factor offensively. It all hinges on Wade's knee and it seems like he is settling for jumpers and might have had one floater with another Euro-step lay-up.

no one said you would be wrong later,

you were just wrong for game one:troll:

it will be interesting to see how the heat respond to a 2-0 hole
 

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bosh was 4-11 and had 10 points

the idea was that he played pretty badly and was not much of a factor

thabo had nine points and came up with some steals to create some opportunities for the okc and played tremendous defense as always....and played 29 minutes

durant plays good D on lebron, as i thought he would

the heat got out-rebounded, which doesn't surprise me at all

and OKC still can't be beat at home....

Bosh is settling for contested jumpers. I think he will try to attack the basket more in the upcoming games.

What surprises me is that Erik Spoelstra is playing small-ball against the Thunder. Their only true center only played 2*** minutes (not 5 min) and he is their 3rd best rebounder behind Haslem and Bosh. That is why they lost on the boards. Nothing should surprise me about Spoelstra though. Miami is definitely a good rebounding team when they put the unit out there to do it. They are in the top 10 in the NBA in rebounding differential during the regular season and their wings are both excellent rebounders.
 
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no one said you would be wrong later,

you were just wrong for game one:troll:

it will be interesting to see how the heat respond to a 2-0 hole

I really hope I am wrong because I'd absolutely love to be. I hope OKC doesn't get surprised in Game 2 because that would be a huge morale blow going into the next 3 games where I suspect Miami will take 2 out of 3. OKC can still win the series going back home for Game 6 down 3-2 though so we'll see.
 

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1/4th of the series is over at the extreme most. Sefolosha shouldn't be averaging more minutes than Harden by the end of it. When the scene shifts over to Miami, we will see if the Thunder bigs start getting in foul trouble or not. Bosh will end up as a major factor offensively. It all hinges on Wade's knee and it seems like he is settling for jumpers and might have had one floater with another Euro-step lay-up.

Wade's knee is not the problem. If it was, his stats wouldn't be almost a mirror image of his season stats (which they are). Plus, he's played much better since having it drained. His attitude is the problem. He's way more concerned with bitching to refs about no calls then getting back on D.

This series hinges on the Heat having a semi-competent coach. I've said this many, many times & I'll say it again. The Heat will never win a championship with Spoelstra as their coach. Any coach who asks the best defender in the NBA to guard the worst player on the floor should be fired on the spot.
 

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Wade's knee is not the problem. If it was, his stats wouldn't be almost a mirror image of his season stats (which they are). Plus, he's played much better since having it drained. His attitude is the problem. He's way more concerned with bitching to refs about no calls then getting back on D.

This series hinges on the Heat having a semi-competent coach. I've said this many, many times & I'll say it again. The Heat will never win a championship with Spoelstra as their coach. Any coach who asks the best defender in the NBA to guard the worst player on the floor should be fired on the spot.

Wade is known for wrecklessly attacking the basket and putting his body on the line. His stats have nearly always fallen between 20-25 points at nearly 50% shooting. Look at his stats for Game 1 and the Boston series- it is not near that.

And, yes, Spoelstra is an idiot. I whole-heartedly agree.
 

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Bosh is settling for contested jumpers.
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I think he will try to attack the basket more in the upcoming games.

ibaka is somewhere smiling right now

What surprises me is that Erik Spoelstra is playing small-ball against the Thunder. Their only true center only played 2*** minutes (not 5 min) and he is their 3rd best rebounder behind Haslem and Bosh. That is why they lost on the boards.

they lost on the boards by 8...i dont think joel anthony(if you are referring to him) would have made the difference

he's still a little undersized at 6'9 and he's actually not that great a rebounder

Nothing should surprise me about Spoelstra though. Miami is definitely a good rebounding team when they put the unit out there to do it. They are in the top 10 in the NBA in rebounding differential during the regular season and their wings are both excellent rebounders.
OKC +159 rebounding in the reg season, Miami +119

doesn't matter if they can beat other teams in rebounding, they have to rebound better than OKC, which is tough because it looks like OKC is a better rebounding team
 
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This is where your "analysis" falls apart. Instead of looking at things from the perspective of Miami vs. Oklahoma City, you look at it from the Miami vs. average NBA team perspective. It doesn't matter if Miami is a "good" rebounding team...it matters if they are better than Oklahoma City, which they aren't. Instead of looking at the players and teams participating, you are quoting stats of how Miami did against Boston and so forth.

Pretty much.

This is a pretty good post for this board to remember in general terms of context to Miami-Chicago as well. The key thing isn't to evaluate how the teams played against each other in some random game in December. You have to evaluate it in the context/vacuum of the series going on right now and the two teams. Simply stating that Miami was "the xth best rebounding team in the league" means little to nothing because if they don't matchup well with OKC rebounding and personnel wise...who cares?

Especially given that two of the main reasons that Miami is such a good rebounding team(Wade and Bosh) are hurt/banged up/not playing at 100%..whatever). It'd be like someone saying that in week 11 the Bears should have the advantage in the ground game because they are the 3rd best rushing team in the NFL, while ignoring the fact Forte went down with a season ending injury the week before and Marion Barber is starting now. The evaluation points have changed and aren't the same...why still use them?

It's the same reason the Bulls can sweep the Heat in the regular season then in a 7 game series get beat in 5 games because what the Bulls did against the Celtics, Nets, or even the Heat in January or February in a one game situation doesn't matter. The playoffs and a 7 game series are different animals at a different time.

You think this would be blatantly obvious...but to morons like Rami..it's not.
 
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