Jay VS. the Rookie QB's

[94c4lt1]

True dat. How would Jays' stats be without the GB and Dallas game?

Pretty close to what they are now.

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[-Cago34-]

Because you've been a fan for 25 years means you know what you're talking about? I suggest NOT!

k buddy, go back to the smoke machine and lasers and you'll feel better

 

[Bear Pride]

No, not really. Luck or not, another fucking FG drive would not have won that game without the defensive TD.

OK, here's my post from another thread. I suggest you go back and watch the game......

Watch the game again. With about 30 seconds in the 3rd, Cutler hit Bennett on two consecutive passes to change the momentum. They march down the field to have Gould miss the FG. The next defensive series was the defenses FIRST 3 and out. Then we got the shank punt. Cutler marched down the field for the TD to Davis. The offense gave the Bears momentum!

The next series TJ makes his pick 6 because Smith fell down. It really wasn't a great play on TJ's half, Smith basically fell down because he slipped on the grass. Granted TJ made the play. Then the defense gets a chance to shut down for the win. Guess what? The Panthers marched down the field for the FG and the lead with a little over 2 minutes on the clock. That's right, the defense was too tired and couldn't hold them!

Well guess what happened then. You got it, Cutler, Marshall, Forte. and the Bears offense marched down the field and put Gould in position to win the the game with a field goal! The Bears offense won this game for the Bears people!

Sometimes I wonder what the **** people are looking at when they watch the game. I think most just can't understand it. Hence, a ton of stupid Bears fans!

 

[PrideisBears]

Okay, sure...he's part of the problem...and in my opinion, the biggest part. For the rest of what you said, I expect the offense to maintain a certain level of production, whether or not a rookie WR is in the line up or not. Jay is a vet, with rookie type stats.

This offense has zero identity so i expect nothing until that is figured out. i posted my five questions on page two or three and see if the Bears have an answer for any of them

 

[Bear Pride]

k buddy, go back to the smoke machine and lasers and you'll feel better

Again with that shit? Dude, you're weak!

 

[PrideisBears]

Pretty close to what they are now.

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Actually they look better imo. Better than the rookie's Cago made this thread about

 

[94c4lt1]

Here is some more fuel for this fire.... :tiptoe:

Zach Zaidman‏@ZachZaidman

Dan Hampton tells Chicago Tribune his #Bears would have won four Super Bowls with Jay Cutler at QB & not lost a regular season game.

 

[-Cago34-]

Again with that shit? Dude, you're weak!

Jaysus is weak!!! Talk about that!!! Man!!!

 

[BearsFoRilla]

What a fucking joke.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

OK, here's my post from another thread. I suggest you go back and watch the game......

I could rewatch the game a million times and still tell you the key moment was the defensive TD. How often has Jay lead the Bears o to more than 2 TDs this year? While you pretend the Bears offense can score a TD at will whenever they need to, as quickly as they need to, I choose to look at it realistically.

 

[bearmick]

Why do you want to discredit Jay so fucking bad? Why is it a sin to say both the D and O were bad for most of the game but stepped up at the end to win it? You keep mentioning how the defense let up 22 (not 19) points and the fact that they died slow by giving up long, time consuming drives meant they actually played well. I have not heard or seen one person say the defense played well ANYWHERE except for you. Your analysis of the defensive performance is solely determined by your obvious dislike for Cutler. you cry about how people call you "hater" for no reason and then make shit arguments like this, blatantly refusing to acknowledge that the defense didn't play well for most of the game only because it allows you to put 100% of blame on Cutler.

Take Cutler out of your mind for one fucking minute. Do you really think the defense played well? Seriously?

What the **** are you on? No the defense didn't play as lights out as it as been but they allowed the same amount of touchdowns as they scored, and the only one they allowed was after Cutler's fumble deep in the Bears territory. Fucking hell, do they need to be at a constant record breaking all-pro level every damn week? The defense was not even in the same ball park as bad as the offense in that game. Cutler sucked nads for the first 90% of the game, and even then relied on a gift from the defense (or Steve Smith, it doesn't matter) to give them a shot at the end.

Do you at least acknowledge that Cutler needs to play better and be a lot more consistent in the latter part of the season and playoffs?

 

[PrideisBears]

Here is some more fuel for this fire.... :tiptoe:

Zach Zaidman‏@ZachZaidman

Dan Hampton tells Chicago Tribune his #Bears would have won four Super Bowls with Jay Cutler at QB & not lost a regular season game.

No, maybe one more and yes thjey would have lost games

 

[Bear Pride]

Here is some more fuel for this fire.... :tiptoe:

Zach Zaidman‏@ZachZaidman

Dan Hampton tells Chicago Tribune his #Bears would have won four Super Bowls with Jay Cutler at QB & not lost a regular season game.

LOL, Dan's the man.

 

[sevvy]

I would probably take RG3 over any QB in the league.

K cool, Jay needs to play better. So do about 8 other starters on offense. I know Cutler will never be as good as Rodgers, and I'm fine with that. But saying Rodgers has been sacked 3 more times means nothing. 18 of those sacks came in 3 games. And he only played well in one of those games. And that was against the iron curtain known as the Indianapolis Colts defense.

Let's compare offenses, and you tell me who should be more successful, without even entering in the fact that Rodgers is a more talented QB. Our ONLY advantage in straight up offense vs. offense with Green Bay, is our running backs. Absolutely every other single thing you could talk about in regards to offense, Green Bay has the advantage.

Rodgers also plays better under pressure than Cutler does. So maybe we should concentrate on protecting Cutler's fucking ass if we want to keep winning. Because we can all whine about how rookies are outplaying Cutler, and we can say "But but but! Aaron Rodgers does it better!" But at the end of the day, it doesn't change a fucking thing. Cutler is still our QB, and it's probably going to be that way for a long time. Why don't we tailor the offense to suit his needs and have his success come with the help of the rest of the offense, rather than in spite of it.

That's what really fucking matters here.

 

[EDUB316]

This offense has zero identity so i expect nothing until that is figured out. i posted my five questions on page two or three and see if the Bears have an answer for any of them

You are precisely correct. The problem with the offense isn't one player or one coach. The problem with the offense is the offense. We don't even know what it is. We know what it is supposed to be, but what it is supposed to be is exactly what it shouldn't be. It seems like Tice is trying his best to force what he WANTS the offense to be instead of what it should be, so when shit goes bad they are forced to adjust and it just looks like one big, inconsistent clusterfuck. Even when we have a game or two where the offense looks like it might have an identity and Tice is pushing all the right buttons, we go back to trying to be a vertical passing game with a gameplan designed not to throw the ball less than 15 yards. We have two great, all around RBs and an OL that is obviously better at run blocking. We obviously have an OL that is not reliable on deep drop backs or time consuming pass plays, so keep those types of plays to a certain amount, especially on days when it is obvious the OL is overwhelmed. We have WRs who are good at getting YAC and finding open holes in the defense with a QB who is streaky but comes alive when he finds a rhythm. Make the offense more centered around short/intermediate passes and work down field off of that. Don't just chuck the **** downfield simply because we think we matchup well vs their DBs. Their DBs make 4/11's of their defense.

 

[bearmick]

I would probably take RG3 over any QB in the league.

K cool, Jay needs to play better. So do about 8 other starters on offense. I know Cutler will never be as good as Rodgers, and I'm fine with that. But saying Rodgers has been sacked 3 more times means nothing. 18 of those sacks came in 3 games. And he only played well in one of those games. And that was against the iron curtain known as the Indianapolis Colts defense.

Let's compare offenses, and you tell me who should be more successful, without even entering in the fact that Rodgers is a more talented QB. Our ONLY advantage in straight up offense vs. offense with Green Bay, is our running backs. Absolutely every other single thing you could talk about in regards to offense, Green Bay has the advantage.

Rodgers also plays better under pressure than Cutler does. So maybe we should concentrate on protecting Cutler's fucking ass if we want to keep winning. Because we can all whine about how rookies are outplaying Cutler, and we can say "But but but! Aaron Rodgers does it better!" But at the end of the day, it doesn't change a fucking thing. Cutler is still our QB, and it's probably going to be that way for a long time. Why don't we tailor the offense to suit his needs and have his success come with the help of the rest of the offense, rather than in spite of it.

That's what really fucking matters here.

I agree with most of that, but Jennings is a goner for the season and has hardly played. Do you think that Nelson/Jones/Cobb is a better WR group than Marshall/Jeffery/Bennett? I don't.

 

[94c4lt1]

I would probably take RG3 over any QB in the league.

K cool, Jay needs to play better. So do about 8 other starters on offense. I know Cutler will never be as good as Rodgers, and I'm fine with that. But saying Rodgers has been sacked 3 more times means nothing. 18 of those sacks came in 3 games. And he only played well in one of those games. And that was against the iron curtain known as the Indianapolis Colts defense.

Let's compare offenses, and you tell me who should be more successful, without even entering in the fact that Rodgers is a more talented QB. Our ONLY advantage in straight up offense vs. offense with Green Bay, is our running backs. Absolutely every other single thing you could talk about in regards to offense, Green Bay has the advantage.

Rodgers also plays better under pressure than Cutler does. So maybe we should concentrate on protecting Cutler's fucking ass if we want to keep winning. Because we can all whine about how rookies are outplaying Cutler, and we can say "But but but! Aaron Rodgers does it better!" But at the end of the day, it doesn't change a fucking thing. Cutler is still our QB, and it's probably going to be that way for a long time. Why don't we tailor the offense to suit his needs and have his success come with the help of the rest of the offense, rather than in spite of it.

That's what really fucking matters here.

TRUTH. /thread

 

[PrideisBears]

You are precisely correct. The problem with the offense isn't one player or one coach. The problem with the offense is the offense. We don't even know what it is. We know what it is supposed to be, but what it is supposed to be is exactly what it shouldn't be. It seems like Tice is trying his best to force what he WANTS the offense to be instead of what it should be, so when shit goes bad they are forced to adjust and it just looks like one big, inconsistent clusterfuck. Even when we have a game or two where the offense looks like it might have an identity and Tice is pushing all the right buttons, we go back to trying to be a vertical passing game with a gameplan designed not to throw the ball less than 15 yards. We have two great, all around RBs and an OL that is obviously better at run blocking. We obviously have an OL that is not reliable on deep drop backs or time consuming pass plays, so keep those types of plays to a certain amount, especially on days when it is obvious the OL is overwhelmed. We have WRs who are good at getting YAC and finding open holes in the defense with a QB who is streaky but comes alive when he finds a rhythm. Make the offense more centered around short/intermediate passes and work down field off of that. Don't just chuck the **** downfield simply because we think we matchup well vs their DBs. Their DBs make 4/11's of their defense.

 

[EDUB316]

What the **** are you on? No the defense didn't play as lights out as it as been but they allowed the same amount of touchdowns as they scored, and the only one they allowed was after Cutler's fumble deep in the Bears territory. Fucking hell, do they need to be at a constant record breaking all-pro level every damn week? The defense was not even in the same ball park as bad as the offense in that game. Cutler sucked nads for the first 90% of the game, and even then relied on a gift from the defense (or Steve Smith, it doesn't matter) to give them a shot at the end.

You act like the defense getting the pick 6 was absolutely necessary for the team to win, when they gave the lead right back on the next drive. They refused to get off of the field and didn't allow the offense any rhythm. OBviously the offense was bad (and it wasn't just because of Cutler if you actually watched the game). They played like shit. Like I said remove Cutlr from your mind for one fucking minute but your response, again, mentions Cutler. You toned it down to "didn't play lights out," wow I am impressed. Now you are just the only one who didn't think the defense played bad. It's ok to say they played bad and came through late in the game (just like the offense herp derp). you won't get lynched for it.

Do you at least acknowledge that Cutler needs to play better and be a lot more consistent in the latter part of the season and playoffs?

I have already acknowledged that in multiple threads, but it's hard to get that through when I am responding to posts ignoring every other aspect of the team and zeroing in on making Cutler look as bad as humanly possible.

 

[94c4lt1]

I agree with most of that, but Jennings is a goner for the season and has hardly played. Do you think that Nelson/Jones/Cobb is a better WR group than Marshall/Jeffery/Bennett? I don't.

Who cares? How many team's QBs post better stats than Rodgers did last year? None. The premise of his post is that we shouldn't compare Cutler to Rodgers. If every team did that last year, then the Patriots fans, Saints fans, Steelers fans, etc would be saying "why can't our QB perform like Aaron?"