Jeramiah bears trade prediction

[gobullschi]

I think Panthers owner is pretty desperate for a franchise qb. He was pushing hard for Watson and has kicked tires on other vets. I'd be surprised if they aren't very much involved in potential trade ups

The Panthers were offered 2 1sts for Brian Burns (DE) at the trade deadline. They got a bunch of picks from the McCaffrey trade. Their recent 1st round picks also fill holes for the Bears:

Ikem Ekwonu - OL (4th overall)
Jaycee Horn - CB (8th overall)
Derrick Brown - DL (7th overall)

DJ Moore & Taylor Moton would also be excellent additions.

They’re a young QB away from a pretty impressive roster, which makes trading with them complicated. Future 1st round picks are less valuable than teams like the Texans, Colts, Raiders, & Falcons, who are still expected to be drafting in the top 10 next year. The NFC South is pretty awful too.

 

[Bearly]

I'll take future picks but my hope if that they're a secondary consideration to loading up this year. I think that's still a data point for GMs.

 

[Bearly]

That’s because most of the time the team with the first pick needs to draft a QB.

2021 - Trevor Lawrence
2020 - Joe Burrow
2019 - Kyler Murray
2018 - Baker Mayfield
2016 - Jared Golf
2015 - Jameis Winston

4 of the last 10 drafts did not have a QB drafted 1st overall. Here is the list of the first 2 QBs drafted in those years.

2022 - Kenny Pickett (20th & only QB taken)
2017 - Mitch Trubisky (2nd) & Mahomes (10th)
2014 - Blake Bortles (3rd) & Johnny Manziel (22nd)
2013 - 0 QBs taken in first round

Outside of 2017, I consider this QB draft class to be better than all of those years.

This draft class is getting slept on. The hype machine is about to start. Levis & Richardson are going to showcase elite arm strength. Richardson & Stroud will run well.

And there were 2 QBs more worthy of #1 in 2017. GMs haven't forgotten.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I think Panthers owner is pretty desperate for a franchise qb. He was pushing hard for Watson and has kicked tires on other vets. I'd be surprised if they aren't very much involved in potential trade ups

Carr is also visiting with the Panthers

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Carr is also visiting with the Panthers

Yeah I kind of hope Carr ends up in NO or a team like Washington would be a good surprise. I know Rivera claims they are going with Howell but that seems like a formula to get himself fired. Neither of those teams would effect the qb trade market much

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Yeah I kind of hope Carr ends up in NO or a team like Washington would be a good surprise. I know Rivera claims they are going with Howell but that seems like a formula to get himself fired. Neither of those teams would effect the qb trade market much

Supposedly he had a good visit with the Jets

I’d like to keep the Panthers open as a trade possibility

 

[dennehy]

That’s because most of the time the team with the first pick needs to draft a QB.

2021 - Trevor Lawrence
2020 - Joe Burrow
2019 - Kyler Murray
2018 - Baker Mayfield
2016 - Jared Golf
2015 - Jameis Winston

4 of the last 10 drafts did not have a QB drafted 1st overall. Here is the list of the first 2 QBs drafted in those years.

2022 - Kenny Pickett (20th & only QB taken)
2017 - Mitch Trubisky (2nd) & Mahomes (10th)
2014 - Blake Bortles (3rd) & Johnny Manziel (22nd)
2013 - 0 QBs taken in first round

Outside of 2017, I consider this QB draft class to be better than all of those years.

This draft class is getting slept on. The hype machine is about to start. Levis & Richardson are going to showcase elite arm strength. Richardson & Stroud will run well.

What's because most of the time the team doesn't need a QB? It doesn't change the fact that there aren't enough data points at the first pick to use Jeremiah as a solid example. And, as I said, people are expecting more than what Jeremiah suggest in the CAR trade.

I'm glad you consider it strong. Hopefully it is. Levis's tape is rough. Stroud's is inconsistent. The only guy who whose tape is elite is Young, and he is going to be a prospect some teams are really leery of because of his size.

What the above info tells me, if I'm a GM, is that unless the prospect is really elite, like Lawrence or Burrow, I probably shouldn't trade up with a huge package for a QB. Because none of those flawed guys are worth it, and usually someone or multiple guys picked later are better.

Anyone who drafts Anthony Richardson in the top 15 is is trouble.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Supposedly he had a good visit with the Jets

I’d like to keep the Panthers open as a trade possibility

Agreed. It'd be ideal to trade down to 4 with the Colts getting their 2nd and next year's 1st, then have Carolina want to move to 4 on draft night for the 3rd qb available and get a haul from them too

 

[bamainatlanta]

That’s because most of the time the team with the first pick needs to draft a QB.

2021 - Trevor Lawrence
2020 - Joe Burrow
2019 - Kyler Murray
2018 - Baker Mayfield
2016 - Jared Golf
2015 - Jameis Winston

4 of the last 10 drafts did not have a QB drafted 1st overall. Here is the list of the first 2 QBs drafted in those years.

2022 - Kenny Pickett (20th & only QB taken)
2017 - Mitch Trubisky (2nd) & Mahomes (10th)
2014 - Blake Bortles (3rd) & Johnny Manziel (22nd)
2013 - 0 QBs taken in first round

Outside of 2017, I consider this QB draft class to be better than all of those years.

This draft class is getting slept on. The hype machine is about to start. Levis & Richardson are going to showcase elite arm strength. Richardson & Stroud will run well.

Richardson will get drafted high. But the guy is more inaccurate than Cardale Jones was.

 

[gobullschi]

Agreed. It'd be ideal to trade down to 4 with the Colts getting their 2nd and next year's 1st, then have Carolina want to move to 4 on draft night for the 3rd qb available and get a haul from them too

What kind of compensation are you expecting to get moving from 4 to 9?

 

[gobullschi]

Richardson will get drafted high. But the guy is more inaccurate than Cardale Jones was.

He’s also a far superior athlete than Cardale Jones ever was. He will probably measure 6’4, run a 4.5, and throw the ball 80+ yards.

Interviews will determine where he gets drafted.

 

[bamainatlanta]

He’s also a far superior athlete than Cardale Jones ever was. He will probably measure 6’4, run a 4.5, and throw the ball 80+ yards.

Interviews will determine where he gets drafted.

JaMarcus Russell threw the ball 60+ yards from his knees. What matters is his accuracy.
“Hey guys, I can throw the ball 80+ yards but the ball will end up about 15 feet from where it actually needs to be.”

Richardson has potential but is a developmental prospect, even more so than Fields

 

[gobullschi]

JaMarcus Russell threw the ball 60+ yards from his knees. What matters is his accuracy.
“Hey guys, I can throw the ball 80+ yards but the ball will end up about 15 feet from where it actually needs to be.”

Richardson has potential but is a developmental prospect, even more so than Fields

JaMarcus Russell was drafted 1st overall. The point is that a team could fall in love with his athletic profile.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

So Mike Lombardi thinks the Bears aren’t getting calls from other teams about the 1st pick and that Schefter’s tweet was an obvious plant to drum up interest.

Of course Mike Lombardi isn’t the best source….

 

[gobullschi]

So Mike Lombardi thinks the Bears aren’t getting calls from other teams about the 1st pick and that Schefter’s tweet was an obvious plant to drum up interest.

Of course Mike Lombardi isn’t the best source….

That guys a fuckin loser.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

What kind of compensation are you expecting to get moving from 4 to 9?

Next years 1st and and 2nd or 3rd this year

 

[bamainatlanta]

JaMarcus Russell was drafted 1st overall. The point is that a team could fall in love with his athletic profile.

Hmmmm. Is that why he’s mocked anywhere from 8th to the high teens? Everyone knows this is the case captain obvious.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Next years 1st and and 2nd or 3rd this year

I’d ask for more. I’d use something just a tad bit less than what SF dealt to move up to #3.

 

[remydat]

I think Panthers owner is pretty desperate for a franchise qb. He was pushing hard for Watson and has kicked tires on other vets. I'd be surprised if they aren't very much involved in potential trade ups

Oh for sure they will be involved. I am just saying the GM and HC jobs are not likely on the line this year so from that perspective they are not desparate. They can be desperate for other reasons.

 

[remydat]

JaMarcus Russell threw the ball 60+ yards from his knees. What matters is his accuracy.
“Hey guys, I can throw the ball 80+ yards but the ball will end up about 15 feet from where it actually needs to be.”

Richardson has potential but is a developmental prospect, even more so than Fields

I think Fields helps his case. If AR truly has sub 4.5 speed then we saw what a QB can do with that type of speed this past year. That sets a floor while you work on his passing.