Jeremy Morin is requesting a trade.

[Shantz My Pants]

Yep... this. When the adrenaline stops wearing off and teams can scout him we'll see what happens. Has he played the same team twice yet?

Not only that I but I see a lot of holes in his game that if we have up better quality shots, he's in trouble.


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[BlackHawkPaul]

I mean....if you can go with a Raanta/Darling combo and get great play....Darling is a stopper as he learns to use that body. The question is (though the cap shouldn't be as bad as originally feared) does trading Crawford (if this is even possible, but somebody will need a goalie) allow us to keep Sharp/Bickell/Tuevo long term.

Thats where if you can replace Crawford with minimal damage, but you retain a dynastic top 9 in front, and are able to develop your young defenders.....



My problem with it is Crawford looked sensational at times this year, particularly when he was fresh at the beginning and the Hawks were playing like shit. He may have become that goalie that can win games for you when you suck.

Congrats to Raanta on winning without Keith yesterday. Sweet baby titties. And thats where it becomes so tough, we have money issues and 3 goalies that can play, 1 of them is on a big contract.

I trust whatever they decide to do. They know the nuances and weakness better than us. Its highly probably Raanta and Darling have a slight advantage in play because teams aren't 100% sure what their big weaknesses are yet. As statistical holes develop they will have to adjust as their careers progress.

****...I kinda still wish we had Niemi, I think we would have won last year. Crawford got caught up in playing Quick instead of playing hockey.

I'll take Craw over Niemi every time.
Niemi was lights out against SJ in 2010, and average the rest of the way in the postseason.

Keith was also suspended in the '13 cup run with Craw in net. Do we need numbers?
You can always "chicken and the egg" it with these netminders. Crawford is 4th in the league in both save % and GA. The argument against Crow is that the D are allowing shots he can manage and absorbing the rest through blocks and missed nets, so the ones hitting the back of the net are all softies?

Crawford is very good. The breakdown against LA was more than just him last season. I thought his response against the Blues in round one was very good.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

2010
Nashville 15 goals against, 2.5 per game (6 games)
Vancouver 18 goals against, 3 per game (6 games)
SJ 7 goals against, 1.75 per game (4 games)
Philly 23 goals against. 3.83 per game (6 games)

2.86 goals allowed on average in 22 games

2013
Minny 7 goals against, 1.4 per game (5 games)
Detroit 14 goals against, 2 per game (7 games)
LA 11 goals against, 2.2 per game (5 games)
Boston 15 goals against, 2.5 per game (6 games)

2 goals allowed on average in 23 games

2014
St. L 14 goals, 2.33 per game, (6 games)
Minny 13 goals,2.16 per game (6 games)
LA 25 goals 3.57 per game (7 games)

2.73 goals allowed on average in 19 games

I didn't figure GAA because of OT time, which possibly would benefit Craw more than Niemi.
Was the D that much better in '13? I do remember Leddy with minimal minutes in the Final.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I think our defense was better in our last run. Either way I don't think one goalie is heads and tails better than the other. My biggest issue has always been consistency and how he'd make some stellar saves and on others he would let a beach ball through.




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[BlackHawkPaul]

I think our defense was better in our last run. Either way I don't think one goalie is heads and tails better than the other. My biggest issue has always been consistency and how he'd make some stellar saves and on others he would let a beach ball through.




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You may be correct, but as time passes we'll be farting and drinking beers to the '10 and '13 teams. The 2013 team was something to behold, even if it was only 48 games.
I'm still trying to grasp how good that team was.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

One of the best definitely ever. Everybody was firing on all cylinders and beating the Bs with less than a minute left makes that series even better.


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[supraman]

You may be correct, but as time passes we'll be farting and drinking beers to the '10 and '13 teams. The 2013 team was something to behold, even if it was only 48 games.
I'm still trying to grasp how good that team was.

I think the 10 team was the more amazing team. The comeback game spoke volumes. The 13 team was a better team but 10 had determination on their side. And Buff's O face in nuckland was just glorious.

As for Crow vs Niemi, Niemi is the more entertaining netminder Crow is the better netminder however both are proven cup winners so I'd take either.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

I'll take the stand and say I'll take Crow over Niemi.

 

[supraman]

I'll take the stand and say I'll take Crow over Niemi.

For skill yeah Crow over Niemi for watching a goalie flopping all over the place making every save look big, Niemi. I love his style, Crow is a boring netminder but the better of the two.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Both are, bad, goalers. Crawford lost the cup, raantas better so good

 

[MassHavoc]

Come on BHP, don't encourage him.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Both are, bad, goalers. Crawford lost the cup, raantas better so good

Khaber was better goaler.

 

[supraman]

Both are, bad, goalers. Crawford lost the cup, raantas better so good

Huet4evar

 

[LordKOTL]

I'll take Craw over Niemi every time.
Niemi was lights out against SJ in 2010, and average the rest of the way in the postseason.

Keith was also suspended in the '13 cup run with Craw in net. Do we need numbers?
You can always "chicken and the egg" it with these netminders. Crawford is 4th in the league in both save % and GA. The argument against Crow is that the D are allowing shots he can manage and absorbing the rest through blocks and missed nets, so the ones hitting the back of the net are all softies?

Crawford is very good. The breakdown against LA was more than just him last season. I thought his response against the Blues in round one was very good.

Bingo. I blame the LA loss on Q. By the time the LA series started it was painfully obvious that, in ther 2014 playoffs, Regin was the better option than Versteeg and Brookbank was the better option than Rosival (for whatever reason). The fact that Q went back to the two guys who were outright defensive liabilites on the ice instead of better personnel cost us the series IMHO since it was the biggest factor.

Not that Crawford was good in that series--both he and Quick were very human.

Anyhow, It will be interesting to see Morin against the 'hawks on Sat.

 

[Variable]

I mean....if you can go with a Raanta/Darling combo and get great play....Darling is a stopper as he learns to use that body. The question is (though the cap shouldn't be as bad as originally feared) does trading Crawford (if this is even possible, but somebody will need a goalie) allow us to keep Sharp/Bickell/Tuevo long term.

Thats where if you can replace Crawford with minimal damage, but you retain a dynastic top 9 in front, and are able to develop your young defenders.....

Well I don't want to keep Bickell long term. So if they can get rid of him as well, that's fine by me. If that would be the case that's 10 million off the books. You can pretty much keep anyone you want from there on out. Again it's never going to happen, but my main point through all of this is that the goalie position is not one in which the Hawks need to spend big money on. That's not to their advantage. Because all that ends up doing is taking away their ability and cap space that allows them to play as they do. Where you can play someone like Patrick Sharp, a great player who led them in points last year, on the third line and still play dominantly.

Will there be games where their goalie need to play great and overcome bad play? Yeah of course, no matter how good a team is there will be games like that. But much more often than not, that's not going to be the case here. I think Crawford is all the Hawks will ever need for the next 4 or 5 years. You just don't need to spend 6 million on that.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Jimmy Hayes (925K):

22 GP: 7-6-13, +2

Bryan Bickell (4 mil):

32 GP: 4-7-11, -2

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Jimmy Hayes (925K):

22 GP: 7-6-13, +2

Bryan Bickell (4 mil):

32 GP: 4-7-11, -2

B-B-B-BUT PLAYOFFS

 

[DMelt36]

Jimmy Hayes (925K):

22 GP: 7-6-13, +2

Bryan Bickell (4 mil):

32 GP: 4-7-11, -2

Ahhh so Bickell's the guy you're going to hate this season? I thought it was Oduya. Some consistency, please.

 

[Diehardfan]

Ahhh so Bickell's the guy you're going to hate this season? I thought it was Oduya. Some consistency, please.

No, it was Rozy this year.

Although I will give Joe his props, he was correct in his blasts against Bollig last year.

 

[DMelt36]

No, it was Rozy this year.

Although I will give Joe his props, he was correct in his blasts against Bollig last year.

Low hanging fruit there. Everyone could see that Bollig sucked.