Jeremy Morin is requesting a trade.

[Shantz My Pants]

We also didn't hAve the prospect depth in the AHL back after the 2010 roster explosion like we do now. Shit our top prospects in the AHL were Jack Skille, Bickell, Akim Aliu, Rob Klinkhammer, Evan Brophey lmao need I say more?


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[DMelt36]

Yes, they are one league down from the NHL...but it is probably the biggest jump. As I said before, when you have guys like Pirri and Morin who basically light up the AHL and then can't make it consistently in the NHL, it tells you something. I have no doubt that there are prospect/s who are in the AHL that will contribute in the future but I wouldn't count on any of them. The odds are against them and each guy that you named has stuff they need to work on in order to be a consistent NHL player. Nordstrom probably looked the best at the NHL level out of any of them, but he projects to be pretty much a bottom 6 guy who can play defense and he probably isn't far from his ceiling (atleast in my opinion).

You always seem so averse to letting any young players make the leap to the NHL.

The Hawks went the veteran stopgap after the 2010 Cup and ended up with scrap-heap guys like Sean O'Donnell and Andrew Brunnette and Ryan Johnson.

To hell with that. I don't need it this year as the Hawks are still running to a Cup but next year give me Teuvo. Give me McNeill. Give me Clendening. Give me some of these prospects that the Hawks keep hyping up. The best way for this team to win even more titles is through the development of its own prospects.

 

[R K]

I never said the forward depth was atrocious. We probably have one of the best forward depth in the NHL and AHL.


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That portion wasn't directed at you Trev.

 

[R K]

You always seem so averse to letting any young players make the leap to the NHL.

The Hawks went the veteran stopgap after the 2010 Cup and ended up with scrap-heap guys like Sean O'Donnell and Andrew Brunnette and Ryan Johnson.

To hell with that. I don't need it this year as the Hawks are still running to a Cup but next year give me Teuvo. Give me McNeill. Give me Clendening. Give me some of these prospects that the Hawks keep hyping up. The best way for this team to win even more titles is through the development of its own prospects.

It's no coincidence the Hogs have the best record in the AHL. Some of these guys are close to the leap. Now making room for them is the question, something for a player like Morin right now, there just wasn't.

 

[R K]

Exactly. But the most important factor in 2010 is that team lost 10 players. 5 ROLE players. 2-3 leaders.

And still I say if they win game 7 in Vancouver, after coming back from down 0-3, they contend for the Cup. Don't ever question the core of this teams determination. The mistake was going down 0-3.

 

[HawkWriter]

You always seem so averse to letting any young players make the leap to the NHL.

The Hawks went the veteran stopgap after the 2010 Cup and ended up with scrap-heap guys like Sean O'Donnell and Andrew Brunnette and Ryan Johnson.

To hell with that. I don't need it this year as the Hawks are still running to a Cup but next year give me Teuvo. Give me McNeill. Give me Clendening. Give me some of these prospects that the Hawks keep hyping up. The best way for this team to win even more titles is through the development of its own prospects.

I have nothing wrong with it...as long as they are ready and can play a consistent game that helps the team out. Kruger, Shaw, and Saad all had their bumps along the way but they have all proven that they are NHL players. Doesn't matter if the Blackhawks are hyping guys up or not, several of those guys aren't ready to contribute on a regular basis to a Stanley Cup contender. I get that you are on the opposite side and really seem to fall in love with all the Blackhawks prospects, but I just don't see it out of all of them and the percentages are against these guys. There will be guys who contribute, but I am not really relying on many of them.

I'm a fan of the Red Wings model...let the players develop in the AHL and call them up when they are ready. Worked out just fine for them over the last couple decades. Having young players on ELC is more important than ever in the Salary Cap era...they just have to be the right players.

 

[ClydeLee]

Exactly. But the most important factor in 2010 is that team lost 10 players. 5 ROLE players. 2-3 leaders.

And still I say if they win game 7 in Vancouver, after coming back from down 0-3, they contend for the Cup. Don't ever question the core of this teams determination. The mistake was going down 0-3.

Having a checking center like Bolland to slow down the Sedins and allow Toews's line to work the ice was a boost. I don't remember who the Canucks played the next two series to really say how the Hawks would of done. If it was San Jose again, I'm sure the Hawks could of taken them down. But when their roster was set, that Bolland-Frolik-Bickell was the best in that series, and as well as the Phoenix series. It always seems odd to me people say Bickell had one flash pan playoff year or just two. Every year since he was a regular player in that Vancouver series on, he was easily one of the best players in playoff games. He didn't score in droves like the last two years, but he was impactful and helping scoring while having a dominant line.

I don't have any adversary to playing younger guys, but I am highly resistant to thinking that a slowly growing in production Ross or McNeil who has played great this year been considered inconsistent at all levels are a couple guys worth feeling you can replace the production of Bickell. I really don't care that he is a loafer in the regular season at 4 Mil for a team that will have no problem being top 3 in their division and in the playoffs when the players you have need to preform.

 

[Diehardfan]

You always seem so averse to letting any young players make the leap to the NHL.

The Hawks went the veteran stopgap after the 2010 Cup and ended up with scrap-heap guys like Sean O'Donnell and Andrew Brunnette and Ryan Johnson.

To hell with that. I don't need it this year as the Hawks are still running to a Cup but next year give me Teuvo. Give me McNeill. Give me Clendening. Give me some of these prospects that the Hawks keep hyping up. The best way for this team to win even more titles is through the development of its own prospects.

Oh hell yeah. The way things developed with the goaltending really changes everything. It wasn't that long ago that most of us were singing the blues because the Hawks let Niemi walk. Now the Hawks are three deep in goalies. That does a couple of things....you can trade off the oldest, more expensive one for cap relief plus great goaltending covers a lot of warts while these younger players get their feet wet. No more patchwork like they did in 2011.

 

[R K]

Having a checking center like Bolland to slow down the Sedins and allow Toews's line to work the ice was a boost. I don't remember who the Canucks played the next two series to really say how the Hawks would of done. If it was San Jose again, I'm sure the Hawks could of taken them down. But when their roster was set, that Bolland-Frolik-Bickell was the best in that series, and as well as the Phoenix series. It always seems odd to me people say Bickell had one flash pan playoff year or just two. Every year since he was a regular player in that Vancouver series on, he was easily one of the best players in playoff games. He didn't score in droves like the last two years, but he was impactful and helping scoring while having a dominant line.

I don't have any adversary to playing younger guys, but I am highly resistant to thinking that a slowly growing in production Ross or McNeil who has played great this year been considered inconsistent at all levels are a couple guys worth feeling you can replace the production of Bickell. I really don't care that he is a loafer in the regular season at 4 Mil for a team that will have no problem being top 3 in their division and in the playoffs when the players you have need to preform.

Yes, in 2010 losing Ladd was very detrimental, just as losing Bolland last year was IMO. Very good point. Even then IMO both teams could have won a Cup and just fell short. Last year one really terrible off sides call followed by one lucky as bounce, both in game #7.

 

[DMelt36]

Having a checking center like Bolland to slow down the Sedins

 

[R K]

Oh hell yeah. The way things developed with the goaltending really changes everything. It wasn't that long ago that most of us were singing the blues because the Hawks let Niemi walk. Now the Hawks are three deep in goalies. That does a couple of things....you can trade off the oldest, more expensive one for cap relief plus great goaltending covers a lot of warts while these younger players get their feet wet. No more patchwork like they did in 2011.

But really other than the San Jose Series Niemi did not have fantastic numbers. In the finals he was not very good at all. Luckily for us Leighton and Boucher were worse. Or the Hawks offense was better. Either way you want to go.

 

[DMelt36]

But really other than the San Jose Series Niemi did not have fantastic numbers. In the finals he was not very good at all. Luckily for us Leighton and Boucher were worse. Or the Hawks offense was better. Either way you want to go.

Niemi just never seemed to be the guy that would cost the Hawks a game. And on a team as talented as the Hawks, I think that's all they need in net.

Crawford is much the same, although I think he's more than capable of stealing some games here and there when needed. The Minnesota series last year was full of games like that.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I have nothing wrong with it...as long as they are ready and can play a consistent game that helps the team out. Kruger, Shaw, and Saad all had their bumps along the way but they have all proven that they are NHL players. Doesn't matter if the Blackhawks are hyping guys up or not, several of those guys aren't ready to contribute on a regular basis to a Stanley Cup contender. I get that you are on the opposite side and really seem to fall in love with all the Blackhawks prospects, but I just don't see it out of all of them and the percentages are against these guys. There will be guys who contribute, but I am not really relying on many of them.

I'm a fan of the Red Wings model...let the players develop in the AHL and call them up when they are ready. Worked out just fine for them over the last couple decades. Having young players on ELC is more important than ever in the Salary Cap era...they just have to be the right players.

You don't seem to understand their model then as they do the same thing the Hawks would be doing. Guy typically gets 2-3 years in the A with some call ups in between then goes in. McNeill, Dandault, Clendening will be 22-23 having played 2-3 years in the AHL. They wouldn't be like Shaw, Kane or Kruger going from juniors to NHL. These are guys who have been playing professionally in the system against other prospects/vets.




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[Diehardfan]

Yes, in 2010 losing Ladd was very detrimental, just as losing Bolland last year was IMO. Very good point. Even then IMO both teams could have won a Cup and just fell short. Last year one really terrible off sides call followed by one lucky as bounce, both in game #7.

One? I've never seen one team get so many good puck bounces in one series than the Kings got last year. Everything being equal, it might not have even gone to a 7th game.

 

[R K]

Niemi just never seemed to be the guy that would cost the Hawks a game. And on a team as talented as the Hawks, I think that's all they need in net.

Crawford is much the same, although I think he's more than capable of stealing some games here and there when needed. The Minnesota series last year was full of games like that.

In hind sight paying Hjarlmarsson really paid off so in that sense I totally agree. Although if Mcdonough wasn't such an asshole to Tallon Wilson never makes that offer. Stan handled it well though in my opinion.

 

[R K]

One? I've never seen one team get so many good puck bounces in one series than the Kings got last year. Everything being equal, it might not have even gone to a 7th game.

Totally agree, in my 35 years watching the NHL and 17 with Season Tickets, I've never seen a team that lucky in the playoffs. But good teams exude luck. That said goal #1 in game 7 was clearly 2ft off sides and NEVER should have counted. You just can't make those type of officiating errors in a game so important with championship implications.

 

[HawkWriter]

You don't seem to understand their model then as they do the same thing the Hawks would be doing. Guy typically gets 2-3 years in the A with some call ups in between then goes in. McNeill, Dandault, Clendening will be 22-23 having played 2-3 years in the AHL. They wouldn't be like Shaw, Kane or Kruger going from juniors to NHL. These are guys who have been playing professionally in the system against other prospects/vets.

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That is correct...that is the model I am talking about. Giving these players as much time as needed in the AHL is the best route to go. This isn't a crappy NHL team where you have nothing to lose in a sense by letting these guys learn on the job.

For the record...I am excited about plenty of prospects. TT, Johns, Hartman, etc. I'm just cautious with them.

 

[Diehardfan]

Matching to keep Hammer was a steal for sure but at that time, I think most of us wanted Neimi back instead.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

That is correct...that is the model I am talking about. Giving these players as much time as needed in the AHL is the best route to go. This isn't a crappy NHL team where you have nothing to lose in a sense by letting these guys learn on the job.

For the record...I am excited about plenty of prospects. TT, Johns, Hartman, etc. I'm just cautious with them.

Yes, and who's to say McNeil, Dandault and Clendening aren't ready? They've all been given call ups and stepped in on certain games and done fine.


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[Diehardfan]

Totally agree, in my 35 years watching the NHL and 17 with Season Tickets, I've never seen a team that lucky in the playoffs. But good teams exude luck. That said goal #1 in game 7 was clearly 2ft off sides and NEVER should have counted. You just can't make those type of officiating errors in a game so important with championship implications.

Yep, I agree they were good but they were also beatable. Real tough to beat a good team when they keep catching every break.