Jeremy Morin is requesting a trade.

[HawkWriter]

Right, but from what I've heard Johns is doing very well right now. Again, Seabs would be the last on that list I think would be moved at all and really is no reason to unless he wants 7+ million after this contract.

Plus, if you move Bicks and Sharp you technically wouldn't need to trade anyone else for cap space.


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Johns is the one I am most excited about but he still needs to work on his feet. He could get exposed at the NHL level, but at the same time his stick and physical style could help make up for it. The transition from the AHL to the NHL is just ridiculous. There is a reason why Morin, Pirri, etc are point per game players in the AHL and a fringe 3rd/4th liner coming into the NHL.

As much as I'm sure everyone here hates Barret Jackman...god do I wish the Blackhawks had a prick like him as the number 5/6 guy. I don't think Johns is as nasty, but he brings an element that the Blackhawks could use.

 

[MassHavoc]

Holy shit an honest to go hockey discussion. I'd almost forgot what those were like.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Holy shit an honest to go hockey discussion. I'd almost forgot what those were like.

Screw you! Ferguson and movies and stuff.

 

[DMelt36]

Under the cap...but not a cup contender. That's the worry. The forward depth is atrocious and the defense takes a big step back. It has 2011 written all over it.

Also - if the Blackhawks trade Sharp and Bickell, have to imagine that there will be some new blood in the NHL lineup from those trades.

All is real hard to predict right now and probably the most you can predict with what is in the card right now. Hell, maybe the Blackhawks surprise us all, trade Crawford and roll with Raanta/Darling. I don't suggest it, but it certainly isn't out of the realm of possibilities.

I really don't see the Hawks contending for a Cup next year. A playoff team for sure. But may take a year or two to get back to the top-of-the-league status after this one.

 

[R K]

Bickell will be on the market just like Sharp. I can also see Seabs possibly being out there, but that's going to depend on how much money he wants on his next contract. Moving Sharp and Bickell nets you about 10 mil in cap space plus the 4 from all the FA. So with 14 mil you will need to sign Kruger and Saad, plus fill Oduya, Rozsival, Richards, Sharp, Bickell and probably Carcillo, but if he comes back at the number he's at now then he'll be back so 13.5 for 5. Now, you've got Clendening, Teuvo, Dahlback, TVR, McNeill and Dandault all who could move up and would cost 3.97M against the cap. Leaves you with 9 mill to resign Saad and Kruger plus possibly use that space for the return players you get for trading Bickell and Sharp.


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I'm curious if Stan is loading up on D prospects due to the shortage of quality dmen in the league. Maybe as future trade bait or cheap alternatives. Johns, Clendening, Dahlbeck, Pokka, Svedberg plus TVR makes a crowded depth chart for only 3 possible spots next season (Keith Seabs and Hammer staying).


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I think he's loading up in anticipation of maybe TVR not being able to return (cracked knee cap) and or having to deal 1-2 of the bottom guys now here. I wouldn't assume TVR is comign back with pins in place in his knee cap. Or at the level he was at for awhile.

and I'm not quite sure how that forward depth is atrocious, other than TT will probably not be the 2nd line Center. Other than Sharp, who the current team just went 11-3 without. Bickell really add that much? Least until the playoffs start?

 

[R K]

Bickell will be on the market just like Sharp. I can also see Seabs possibly being out there, but that's going to depend on how much money he wants on his next contract. Moving Sharp and Bickell nets you about 10 mil in cap space plus the 4 from all the FA. So with 14 mil you will need to sign Kruger and Saad, plus fill Oduya, Rozsival, Richards, Sharp, Bickell and probably Carcillo, but if he comes back at the number he's at now then he'll be back so 13.5 for 5. Now, you've got Clendening, Teuvo, Dahlback, TVR, McNeill and Dandault all who could move up and would cost 3.97M against the cap. Leaves you with 9 mill to resign Saad and Kruger plus possibly use that space for the return players you get for trading Bickell and Sharp.


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I really don't see the Hawks contending for a Cup next year. A playoff team for sure. But may take a year or two to get back to the top-of-the-league status after this one.

This is not 2010 though at 10 players are not leaving. Also if that 2011 teams wins game 7 in Vancouver are you sure they don't contend for the Cup. I'm not.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Bickell has been invaluable, priceless, the last two playoffs, how do you move him?

His game seems taylored to playoff hockey when phycicality increases, he shines. I'd be scared shitless to lose him and see what we are in playoffs without a forward that hits.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Johns is the one I am most excited about but he still needs to work on his feet. He could get exposed at the NHL level, but at the same time his stick and physical style could help make up for it. The transition from the AHL to the NHL is just ridiculous. There is a reason why Morin, Pirri, etc are point per game players in the AHL and a fringe 3rd/4th liner coming into the NHL.

As much as I'm sure everyone here hates Barret Jackman...god do I wish the Blackhawks had a prick like him as the number 5/6 guy. I don't think Johns is as nasty, but he brings an element that the Blackhawks could use.

I agree. It would be great if Johns and Tuevo could be playoff wrinkles in back of the roster rolls to throw at people situationally or over the course of a series if we need to shake anything up.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Bickell has been invaluable, priceless, the last two playoffs, how do you move him?

His game seems taylored to playoff hockey when phycicality increases, he shines. I'd be scared shitless to lose him and see what we are in playoffs without a forward that hits.

Because he's a waste of space in the regular season and isn't worth 4 million dollars. I'd rather have a guy like McNeil up on the big squad for 3/4 of what Bicks makes and he's been the equivalent to the physicality. Shit, your could bring up Ross and Hartman and get the same type of physicality.

Get rid of Bicks and you open up 4 mil in cap space that could go elsewhere to guys the team needs more over the course of the season.


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[Shantz My Pants]

I think he's loading up in anticipation of maybe TVR not being able to return (cracked knee cap) and or having to deal 1-2 of the bottom guys now here. I wouldn't assume TVR is comign back with pins in place in his knee cap. Or at the level he was at for awhile.

and I'm not quite sure how that forward depth is atrocious, other than TT will probably not be the 2nd line Center. Other than Sharp, who the current team just went 11-3 without. Bickell really add that much? Least until the playoffs start?

I never said the forward depth was atrocious. We probably have one of the best forward depth in the NHL and AHL.


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[MassHavoc]

Your mom has forward depth....

 

[DMelt36]

Because he's a waste of space in the regular season and isn't worth 4 million dollars. I'd rather have a guy like McNeil up on the big squad for 3/4 of what Bicks makes and he's been the equivalent to the physicality. Shit, your could bring up Ross and Hartman and get the same type of physicality.

Get rid of Bicks and you open up 4 mil in cap space that could go elsewhere to guys the team needs more over the course of the season.


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I keep hearing a lot of good things about Ross. Feels like we may see him up with the big club by next year. Probably not a permanent spot, but certainly a good look.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Hawks have a lot of big bodies in the system.

Chris Canlan at BU (6'2)
John Hayden at Yale who will be playing with team usa at the WJC (6'3, 209)
Matt Iacopelli in the USHL (6'2,205)
Beau Starrett in the USPHL going to Cornell next year at (6'5,205)


All those guys are forwards playing or will be playing in the NCAA where they will keep building muscle on to their frames. Maybe their 3-5 years out, maybe less for some. Either way we have some big forwards in the pipeline.


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[DMelt36]

Hawks have a lot of big bodies in the system.

Chris Canlan at BU (6'2)
John Hayden at Yale who will be playing with team usa at the WJC (6'3, 209)
Matt Iacopelli in the USHL (6'2,205)
Beau Starrett in the USPHL going to Cornell next year at (6'5,205)


All those guys are forwards playing or will be playing in the NCAA where they will keep building muscle on to their frames. Maybe their 3-5 years out, maybe less for some. Either way we have some big forwards in the pipeline.


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I was just about to ask this. Thanks.

 

[HawkWriter]

Hawks have a lot of big bodies in the system.

Chris Canlan at BU (6'2)
John Hayden at Yale who will be playing with team usa at the WJC (6'3, 209)
Matt Iacopelli in the USHL (6'2,205)
Beau Starrett in the USPHL going to Cornell next year at (6'5,205)


All those guys are forwards playing or will be playing in the NCAA where they will keep building muscle on to their frames. Maybe their 3-5 years out, maybe less for some. Either way we have some big forwards in the pipeline.


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All that is great, but they are still prospects and you did note that. I go back to the summer of 2010 when the Stanley Cup purge happened and the Blackhawks loaded up on prospects through trade and draft...guys like K Hayes, J Hayes, J Morin, Holl, Vishnevskiy, Clendening and I'm sure I am missing others. That was 4 1/2 years ago and where are those prospects today and what have they contributed to the Blackhawks. At the same time, you get guys like Saad, Kruger, and Shaw who get fast tracked to the NHL after being drafted.

None of those guys could be deemed "can't miss" type prospects, and even those guys miss all the time. I guess what I am preaching is for some caution on the prospects. Me personally, I rather take a proven vet over an unproven prospect almost any day of the week. Having big bodies in the system and having an overall good system always helps but it doesn't mean a thing until they step on the ice in a Blackhawks' sweater and contribute.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Right, but from what I've heard Johns is doing very well right now. Again, Seabs would be the last on that list I think would be moved at all and really is no reason to unless he wants 7+ million after this contract.

Plus, if you move Bicks and Sharp you technically wouldn't need to trade anyone else for cap space.


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He could demand that and easily get it and deserves it.
As long as RK paves his promotional path to the HOF.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

All that is great, but they are still prospects and you did note that. I go back to the summer of 2010 when the Stanley Cup purge happened and the Blackhawks loaded up on prospects through trade and draft...guys like K Hayes, J Hayes, J Morin, Holl, Vishnevskiy, Clendening and I'm sure I am missing others. That was 4 1/2 years ago and where are those prospects today and what have they contributed to the Blackhawks. At the same time, you get guys like Saad, Kruger, and Shaw who get fast tracked to the NHL after being drafted.

None of those guys could be deemed "can't miss" type prospects, and even those guys miss all the time. I guess what I am preaching is for some caution on the prospects. Me personally, I rather take a proven vet over an unproven prospect almost any day of the week. Having big bodies in the system and having an overall good system always helps but it doesn't mean a thing until they step on the ice in a Blackhawks' sweater and contribute.

The thing is, these guys in Rockford especially the likes of Clendening, Dandault, McNeill have been down there for 2 or more years. Nordstrom has been up a few times and has looked okay. Teuvo looked okay when he was up last year. It's not like their still in the CHL or NCAA, their one league down from the NHL.


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[Shantz My Pants]

He could demand that and easily get it and deserves it.
As long as RK paves his promotional path to the HOF.

The Hawks won't be able to afford that more than likely. Maybe 7 exactly but I wouldn't say much more.


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[HawkWriter]

The thing is, these guys in Rockford especially the likes of Clendening, Dandault, McNeill have been down there for 2 or more years. Nordstrom has been up a few times and has looked okay. Teuvo looked okay when he was up last year. It's not like their still in the CHL or NCAA, their one league down from the NHL.


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Yes, they are one league down from the NHL...but it is probably the biggest jump. As I said before, when you have guys like Pirri and Morin who basically light up the AHL and then can't make it consistently in the NHL, it tells you something. I have no doubt that there are prospect/s who are in the AHL that will contribute in the future but I wouldn't count on any of them. The odds are against them and each guy that you named has stuff they need to work on in order to be a consistent NHL player. Nordstrom probably looked the best at the NHL level out of any of them, but he projects to be pretty much a bottom 6 guy who can play defense and he probably isn't far from his ceiling (atleast in my opinion).

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Yes, they are one league down from the NHL...but it is probably the biggest jump. As I said before, when you have guys like Pirri and Morin who basically light up the AHL and then can't make it consistently in the NHL, it tells you something. I have no doubt that there are prospect/s who are in the AHL that will contribute in the future but I wouldn't count on any of them. The odds are against them and each guy that you named has stuff they need to work on in order to be a consistent NHL player. Nordstrom probably looked the best at the NHL level out of any of them, but he projects to be pretty much a bottom 6 guy who can play defense and he probably isn't far from his ceiling (atleast in my opinion).

Morin and Pirri though weren't able to produce due to lack of opportunity, not skill.

Pirri out up 25 points in 49 games last season, 14 of which were with the Panthers in 21 games.

Morin put up 11 points in 24 games last season which would equate to around 30-40 if he played top 6 minutes.

Jimmy Hayes has 13 points in 21 games on an awful panthers team.

In order for players to thrive you need to put them into roles they can play in. Pirri and Morin were not bottom line players which is why they never played on the bottom 2 lines even when called up over guys like Carcillo or Bollig.




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