Jeremy Morin is requesting a trade.

[ClydeLee]

I'm coming with complete shock.. People think Kruger will return? I've never imagined that as likely as much as Rozi returning. Why would he, there's no way he shouldn't be able to get a far bigger contract and role than the Hawks are after. I would think a team wanting him with a more classic 3rd shutdown role, or even a semi-2nd line role like Bolland is back in for Florida now might happen for him at around a deal over 3 mil. With Nordstrom and Danult in the wings I figured they'd accept that with them and Smith working the 4th line in the same way.

Saad is the only contract I thought that would make an impact on what happens in the teams cap future, if you sign him on a bridge deal you don't have to make a move. But if you lock him long term you likely have to

 

[HawkWriter]

I would say both are gone. #10 would have been gone in July if not for his LNT clause.

All of the contracts are movable IMO, even Bickell.

There isn't a contract on the Blackhawks that can't be moved. There may be contracts/players that you have to get creative with (Campbell for Olesz is probably a good example at the time) but there isn't one that can't be moved. Probably the smartest thing the NHL/Players agreed to was being able to retain up to 50% of a cap hit in a trade. Opened up so many more possibilities in the salary cap era.

 

[R K]

That's what I just said.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Kruger IMo will be cheaper to bring back than Saad. Paying JT and PK that amount of money will hamper a lot of talent being resigned.


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[HawkWriter]

I'm coming with complete shock.. People think Kruger will return? I've never imagined that as likely as much as Rozi returning. Why would he, there's no way he shouldn't be able to get a far bigger contract and role than the Hawks are after. I would think a team wanting him with a more classic 3rd shutdown role, or even a semi-2nd line role like Bolland is back in for Florida now might happen for him at around a deal over 3 mil. With Nordstrom and Danult in the wings I figured they'd accept that with them and Smith working the 4th line in the same way.

Saad is the only contract I thought that would make an impact on what happens in the teams cap future, if you sign him on a bridge deal you don't have to make a move. But if you lock him long term you likely have to

Kruger is a RFA. He doesn't have many options on what to do and I can't imagine a team throwing out a contract big enough that the Blackhawks wouldn't match. Kruger isn't worth more than $2mil a year in my opinion. He hasn't been able to move up from that 4th line and at the end of the day, he is a 4th liner who can kill penalties for the Blackhawks. Smith is a 4th liner who can kill penalties and is at $1.5 a year.

 

[HawkWriter]

That's what I just said.

I'm aware. I agreed and expanded on why I agree with it for the plenty of people out there who say that there are contracts that can't be moved.

 

[R K]

I'm aware. I agreed and expanded on why I agree with it for the plenty of people out there who say that there are contracts that can't be moved.

The only thing that holds these up is Stan and many other GM's throw NMC and NTC like Candy. Thus Sharp was not moved in July. Thus Leddy, the only one with out one, was the odd man out.

I agree the people that say contract A is not movable are really not thinking when they say that. And I do not believe ANY of our contracts would even need a creative solution such as a Campbell. Not even Hossa who's signed until 2097 because his Cap hit is fairly low in comparison to players at his level of talent.

I also do not believe there will be a huge Cap issue for the Hawks next year even with Saad and Kruger, with the 4 players equaling 15 mil in current Salary Cap. Also players like TT, Mcneil Danault, Nordstrom will/should be ready for the jump.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Bickell will be on the market just like Sharp. I can also see Seabs possibly being out there, but that's going to depend on how much money he wants on his next contract. Moving Sharp and Bickell nets you about 10 mil in cap space plus the 4 from all the FA. So with 14 mil you will need to sign Kruger and Saad, plus fill Oduya, Rozsival, Richards, Sharp, Bickell and probably Carcillo, but if he comes back at the number he's at now then he'll be back so 13.5 for 5. Now, you've got Clendening, Teuvo, Dahlback, TVR, McNeill and Dandault all who could move up and would cost 3.97M against the cap. Leaves you with 9 mill to resign Saad and Kruger plus possibly use that space for the return players you get for trading Bickell and Sharp.


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[R K]

Kruger is a RFA. He doesn't have many options on what to do and I can't imagine a team throwing out a contract big enough that the Blackhawks wouldn't match. Kruger isn't worth more than $2mil a year in my opinion. He hasn't been able to move up from that 4th line and at the end of the day, he is a 4th liner who can kill penalties for the Blackhawks. Smith is a 4th liner who can kill penalties and is at $1.5 a year.

If Kruger want's unrealistic money I believe they will consider replacing him with Mcneil, who up until injury, was having a fantastic season. I also believe Kruger would be one of those opting for a discount. Although discount is relative because depending on how much it could be significant over the years/contract. 88 and 19 took a discount. Over the life of the contract it was probably up to 10 million. That's a lot of money no matter how you look at it.

 

[ClydeLee]

Kruger is a RFA. He doesn't have many options on what to do and I can't imagine a team throwing out a contract big enough that the Blackhawks wouldn't match. Kruger isn't worth more than $2mil a year in my opinion. He hasn't been able to move up from that 4th line and at the end of the day, he is a 4th liner who can kill penalties for the Blackhawks. Smith is a 4th liner who can kill penalties and is at $1.5 a year.

I guess I don't view league as likely to be fooled by the distinction of Kruger being a guy who hasn't moved up from the 4th line because how they play, it's not really a 4th line. It is closer to Ice Time but it's also more of a matchup-traditionally 3rd line role. He's just on a deep team. When you look at his Faceoff success and Dzone stats, i imaged Kruger would easily get offfered a 3.5 Mil like deal. Just like something Vlad Sobotka got offered from St. Louis(though he left for more money to KHL) Or a Brandon Sutter range 3.3

I wouldn't think it's worth fighting the cap to really try and keep him at that unless Bickell has a subpar post-season, then moving him out and hoping McNeil or Ross gives some winger size is a more apt move.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

RK beat me too it.


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[R K]

RK beat me too it.


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sorry. LOL

 

[LordKOTL]

I'm coming with complete shock.. People think Kruger will return? I've never imagined that as likely as much as Rozi returning. Why would he, there's no way he shouldn't be able to get a far bigger contract and role than the Hawks are after. I would think a team wanting him with a more classic 3rd shutdown role, or even a semi-2nd line role like Bolland is back in for Florida now might happen for him at around a deal over 3 mil. With Nordstrom and Danult in the wings I figured they'd accept that with them and Smith working the 4th line in the same way.

Saad is the only contract I thought that would make an impact on what happens in the teams cap future, if you sign him on a bridge deal you don't have to make a move. But if you lock him long term you likely have to

I think it depends on Kruger. If Kruger is fine taking a 2-2.5M contract (depending on the cap) as a bottom6/PK mainstay in a high-end contender, he probably will. If he wants more, wants to move up in the lineup, or the like he won't.

Anyhow, Here's a roster for next year I think could work: Keep in mind some players are there just for cap value, consider therm swappable for a similar cap or using extra capspace:

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Brandon Saad ($4.000m) / Jonathan Toews ($10.500m) / Patrick Kane ($10.500m)
Kris Versteeg ($2.200m) / Teuvo Teravainen ($0.894m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Daniel Carcillo ($1.000m) / Andrew Shaw ($2.000m) / Ben Smith ($1.500m)
Phillip Danault ($0.863m) / Marcus Kruger ($3.000m) / Joakim Nordstrom ($1.000m)
Mark McNeill ($0.863m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($4.100m) / Trevor Van Riemsdyk ($0.925m)
Ville Pokka ($0.925m) / Kyle Cumiskey ($1.000m)
Stephen Johns ($0.800m)
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($6.000m)
Antti Raanta ($0.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2015-16)
SALARY CAP: $71,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,434,295; BONUSES: $1,900,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,565,705

 

[R K]

I guess I don't view league as likely to be fooled by the distinction of Kruger being a guy who hasn't moved up from the 4th line because how they play, it's not really a 4th line. It is closer to Ice Time but it's also more of a matchup-traditionally 3rd line role. He's just on a deep team. When you look at his Faceoff success and Dzone stats, i imaged Kruger would easily get offfered a 3.5 Mil like deal. Just like something Vlad Sobotka got offered from St. Louis(though he left for more money to KHL) Or a Brandon Sutter range 3.3

I wouldn't think it's worth fighting the cap to really try and keep him at that unless Bickell has a subpar post-season, then moving him out and hoping McNeil or Ross gives some winger size is a more apt move.

Barring a complete collapse Mcneil will be ready. And not sure he's 4th, more 3rd to 2nd. So it may be benefit in keeping Kruger depending on what he's asking.

I totally agree our 4th is a 3rd on many teams. Which is a great reason we have the record we do.

 

[R K]

I think it depends on Kruger. If Kruger is fine taking a 2-2.5M contract (depending on the cap) as a bottom6/PK mainstay in a high-end contender, he probably will. If he wants more, wants to move up in the lineup, or the like he won't.

Anyhow, Here's a roster for next year I think could work: Keep in mind some players are there just for cap value, consider therm swappable for a similar cap or using extra capspace:

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Brandon Saad ($4.000m) / Jonathan Toews ($10.500m) / Patrick Kane ($10.500m)
Kris Versteeg ($2.200m) / Teuvo Teravainen ($0.894m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Daniel Carcillo ($1.000m) / Andrew Shaw ($2.000m) / Ben Smith ($1.500m)
Phillip Danault ($0.863m) / Marcus Kruger ($3.000m) / Joakim Nordstrom ($1.000m)
Mark McNeill ($0.863m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($4.100m) / Trevor Van Riemsdyk ($0.925m)
Ville Pokka ($0.925m) / Kyle Cumiskey ($1.000m)
Stephen Johns ($0.800m)
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($6.000m)
Antti Raanta ($0.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2015-16)
SALARY CAP: $71,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,434,295; BONUSES: $1,900,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,565,705

No way is TT on that 2nd line as Center. You'd have a better chance of McNiel being there and TT playing on the Wing. Richards could possibly stay another year and you have left Mcneil off completely.

Hossa will also be on the JT line, 88 on the second. TT could be the odd man out if he doesn't pick play up.

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[R K]

Bickell will be on the market just like Sharp. I can also see Seabs possibly being out there, but that's going to depend on how much money he wants on his next contract. Moving Sharp and Bickell nets you about 10 mil in cap space plus the 4 from all the FA. So with 14 mil you will need to sign Kruger and Saad, plus fill Oduya, Rozsival, Richards, Sharp, Bickell and probably Carcillo, but if he comes back at the number he's at now then he'll be back so 13.5 for 5. Now, you've got Clendening, Teuvo, Dahlback, TVR, McNeill and Dandault all who could move up and would cost 3.97M against the cap. Leaves you with 9 mill to resign Saad and Kruger plus possibly use that space for the return players you get for trading Bickell and Sharp.


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Unless Johns is ready no way is Seabrook going anywhere. Especially with Bickell being on there. You've just lost 60% of the physicality of an already pretty soft team.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Right, but from what I've heard Johns is doing very well right now. Again, Seabs would be the last on that list I think would be moved at all and really is no reason to unless he wants 7+ million after this contract.

Plus, if you move Bicks and Sharp you technically wouldn't need to trade anyone else for cap space.


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[HawkWriter]

I think it depends on Kruger. If Kruger is fine taking a 2-2.5M contract (depending on the cap) as a bottom6/PK mainstay in a high-end contender, he probably will. If he wants more, wants to move up in the lineup, or the like he won't.

Anyhow, Here's a roster for next year I think could work: Keep in mind some players are there just for cap value, consider therm swappable for a similar cap or using extra capspace:

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Brandon Saad ($4.000m) / Jonathan Toews ($10.500m) / Patrick Kane ($10.500m)
Kris Versteeg ($2.200m) / Teuvo Teravainen ($0.894m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Daniel Carcillo ($1.000m) / Andrew Shaw ($2.000m) / Ben Smith ($1.500m)
Phillip Danault ($0.863m) / Marcus Kruger ($3.000m) / Joakim Nordstrom ($1.000m)
Mark McNeill ($0.863m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($4.100m) / Trevor Van Riemsdyk ($0.925m)
Ville Pokka ($0.925m) / Kyle Cumiskey ($1.000m)
Stephen Johns ($0.800m)
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($6.000m)
Antti Raanta ($0.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2015-16)
SALARY CAP: $71,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,434,295; BONUSES: $1,900,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,565,705

Under the cap...but not a cup contender. That's the worry. The forward depth is atrocious and the defense takes a big step back. It has 2011 written all over it.

Also - if the Blackhawks trade Sharp and Bickell, have to imagine that there will be some new blood in the NHL lineup from those trades.

All is real hard to predict right now and probably the most you can predict with what is in the card right now. Hell, maybe the Blackhawks surprise us all, trade Crawford and roll with Raanta/Darling. I don't suggest it, but it certainly isn't out of the realm of possibilities.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I'm curious if Stan is loading up on D prospects due to the shortage of quality dmen in the league. Maybe as future trade bait or cheap alternatives. Johns, Clendening, Dahlbeck, Pokka, Svedberg plus TVR makes a crowded depth chart for only 3 possible spots next season (Keith Seabs and Hammer staying).


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[Shantz My Pants]

Lord didn't put Clendening in there nor do I think Kruger will get that much money.

Easily could have 2-3 left over in cap space with that team to sign someone else or a quality youngster to come in.


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