Jeremy Morin is requesting a trade.

[LordKOTL]

I ask this not as a rhetorical statement but as one that I'm curious to see if anyone has an answer.

Have any players that have left the Hawks in the past 5-6 years gone on to have more success with their new teams? Because I'm not finding an instance of it happening yet.

Leddy, maybe. He's defineil showing signs of it even though it's only a partial season? Everyone else responded as I would.

I think also the definition of "success" has to be quantified. I know Campbell, Kopecky, Buff, & Ladd all went onto wear letters on their new teams. Given the bulletproof glass ceiling on the 'hawks had they stayed there would have been no chance of that--and some could say that a leadership role like that could be considered "success".

 

[MassHavoc]

Leddy is so new I forgot about him, but I just expected him to be successful wherever he goes, I hated losing him.

 

[R K]

I think the chance with more TOI that he's getting and the role of being a more important defender will allow him to grow.

I hate losing him but Q was never going to trust him here enough to allow growth. And that said you will see a few just like him in the near future IMO. Clendening/Dahlbeck.

 

[roshinaya]

I am a big meh on the Morin trade. It is what it is. He might become a decent NHL player or he might not, but he had no future on the Hawks. I don't really know why Stan is stocking up on so many D-men. Stacking the odds that some of them might become decent NHL players?

 

[MassHavoc]

I think the chance with more TOI that he's getting and the role of being a more important defender will allow him to grow.

I hate losing him but Q was never going to trust him here enough to allow growth. And that said you will see a few just like him in the near future IMO. Clendening/Dahlbeck.

Well I also think while it may have been trust.... there really just weren't more minutes for him to take. You aren't going to give him Keith or Seabrooks, Hammer is solid, and Q seems to love the taste of Oduya... so TOI really wasn't going to happen no matter how much he trusted him. I think the move worked best for everyone. And the Islanders aren't half bad this year.

 

[R K]

No argument at all. When your top 3 are two HOF players and a possible HOF player, you just aren't going to get ice time.

 

[R K]

I am a big meh on the Morin trade. It is what it is. He might become a decent NHL player or he might not, but he had no future on the Hawks. I don't really know why Stan is stocking up on so many D-men. Stacking the odds that some of them might become decent NHL players?

Stan is stocking up on D men because next year, Cap is going to dictate you lose Oduya and Rozival. He's going to have to replace them with the crop we have in Rockford. TVR cracked his knee cap there is no telling how he's going to return with that type of injury.

 

[LordKOTL]

I ask this not as a rhetorical statement but as one that I'm curious to see if anyone has an answer.

Have any players that have left the Hawks in the past 5-6 years gone on to have more success with their new teams? Because I'm not finding an instance of it happening yet.

Can I just say I love how grotesque your avatar is? That thing will give the squeeamish nightmares.

I am a big meh on the Morin trade. It is what it is. He might become a decent NHL player or he might not, but he had no future on the Hawks. I don't really know why Stan is stocking up on so many D-men. Stacking the odds that some of them might become decent NHL players?

As has been saif--you're going to lose Oduya and Rosie; it's cheaper to get something worthwhile there as a rookie than trying to get a cheap vet to fill in and look good for peanuts.

Well I also think while it may have been trust.... there really just weren't more minutes for him to take. You aren't going to give him Keith or Seabrooks, Hammer is solid, and Q seems to love the taste of Oduya... so TOI really wasn't going to happen no matter how much he trusted him. I think the move worked best for everyone. And the Islanders aren't half bad this year.

It also didn't help that Leddy, Much like Keith, it's a partial-birth abortion when paired with a lefty. As said, there's no way Leddy would unseat Keith, Seabs, or Hammer. Leddy was just behind the 8-ball here. It sucks, but with how deep the team is I'd rather have that problem than us regressing back to 2007 levels.

 

[Variable]

Seabrook is a Hall of Famer?

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Seabrook is a Hall of Famer?

Dude you would love the posts in the Conte thread on the Bears forum. Even I had to back your stance because Conte's comments today were very VERY stupid.

Let me just leave this right here: http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/showthread.php/62132-You-have-to-respect-Conte

 

[Variable]

Conte just needs to retire. For his own good. The rate he's going he won't be able to even remember he played (badly at that) in the NFL soon enough. What will that be worth then?

I really shouldn't be surprised when it comes to this though. Tomas Holmstrom is a Hall of Famer too.

 

[HawkWriter]

It is certainly not a foregone conclusion that Oduya is gone after this year. I said it before, but I was told right around the Leddy trade that Oduya kind of told the Hawks that he would be open to a "hometown" discount. Could have influenced the Leddy trade a bit and is probably still 50/50 at best with the probable cap situation but Q likes his veterans and there could be a deal to be had.

 

[Variable]

The way he's been playing so far I'm not sure I'd take him back on even a hometown discount contract.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

It is certainly not a foregone conclusion that Oduya is gone after this year. I said it before, but I was told right around the Leddy trade that Oduya kind of told the Hawks that he would be open to a "hometown" discount. Could have influenced the Leddy trade a bit and is probably still 50/50 at best with the probable cap situation but Q likes his veterans and there could be a deal to be had.

How open?
http://capgeek.com/comparables/?player_id=782

Even if he signed for Richards money, there isn't enough to toss around for the 10+ RFA/UFA openings. It seems more logical to see someone from the AHL fill that opening. It will be interesting to see.

Seabrook is a Hall of Famer?

Who said that?

 

[ClydeLee]

Didn't Morin have a pretty huge setback in Rockford after he suffered a rather serious concussion in a fight during one of those Hogs/Wolves brawls a few years back?

I thought it was more than the one concussion but it was some injury stints that slowed him down when he probably would of otherwise been getting a shot with the club in 2011-2012 seasons. Instead you saw the jumps we saw of Smith, Shaw, Hayes, etc. Getting time when that's what we were expecting from Morin. At least we still have assets from him and the pieces of these trades that didn't seem to give much value.

Plenty of people think a Bickell, Sharp, or Seabs could be shipped. It wouldn't make sense to trade Seabs in aid to keep Oduya, but if the cap is tight and they trade Bickell, a 2 Mil Oduya contract isn't out of the question. I expect him to be a walk away player though

 

[HawkWriter]

How open?
http://capgeek.com/comparables/?player_id=782

Even if he signed for Richards money, there isn't enough to toss around for the 10+ RFA/UFA openings. It seems more logical to see someone from the AHL fill that opening. It will be interesting to see.

There certainly aren't 10+ rfa/ufa signings that the Blackhawks need to make in order to fill in the roster for next year. Plenty of RFA/UFA guys but some will walk, some will be offered 2 way contracts, some will sign, and some may be traded.

It may be more logical cap wise to let a AHL Dman fill the #4 spot...but I can assure you that there is no one at Rockford that is ready to fill that shut down position like Oduya does. Blackhawks have plenty of AHL guys that are showing they are getting close to the NHL, but there is a huge difference from an AHL rookie to a veteran like Oduya. As I said, was told basically 50/50 because there is A LOT that is going to be figured out come summer. I would expect Bickell and Sharp could be two guys who may be moved and may be the Blackhawks preference when looking at the cap and what they can "afford" to lose.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I think Oduya is more replaceable than you think. Hawks have quite a few young players in Rockford who on many teams would already be in the NHL. Clendening, Dahlbeck, Johns all are doing well and have earned call ups.

I trust Stan to figure out how he's going to get out of this mess, and we may see Bicks, Sharp or Seabs leave but that's the nature of the salary cap b


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[Diehardfan]

I ask this not as a rhetorical statement but as one that I'm curious to see if anyone has an answer.

Have any players that have left the Hawks in the past 5-6 years gone on to have more success with their new teams? Because I'm not finding an instance of it happening yet.

Off the top of my head....a few of the guys in the 2010 Purge like Ladd, Campbell and Buff had some real nice seasons. Ladd in particular. I think Kopecky had one decent season with Florida. I know what you're saying as a lot of these guys are slowing down but that was 3 and 4 years ago plus it provided a quick fix for some of those teams as they took advantage of the Hawks monetary situation.

 

[HawkWriter]

I think Oduya is more replaceable than you think. Hawks have quite a few young players in Rockford who on many teams would already be in the NHL. Clendening, Dahlbeck, Johns all are doing well and have earned call ups.

I trust Stan to figure out how he's going to get out of this mess, and we may see Bicks, Sharp or Seabs leave but that's the nature of the salary cap b


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I wouldn't trust any of those guys to come in and play a shutdown role like Oduya has to night in and night out. Prospects are prospects until otherwise proven...Oduya is a veteran in a shutdown role for a reason. I know everyone likes the shiny new penny, but there is something to be said about a guy like Oduya and what he has done since coming to the team. Look, he has his flaws too and is prone to tossing up a nice turnover, but he gets the job done and he gets it done against other teams' top lines. I think Oduya is actually harder to replace than most people think. Blackhawks sure miss Leddy more than most people would have ever thought, and that is a #5/6 guy we are talking about. The Blackhawks top 4 is something everyone probably takes for granted...pretty damn impressive.

All speculation, and I suppose that is why we are all here, but it will be interesting to see what happens in the summer and how it shapes up. Until then, suppose it is time to enjoy and focus on the now.

 

[HawkWriter]

Off the top of my head....a few of the guys in the 2010 Purge like Ladd, Campbell and Buff had some real nice seasons. Ladd in particular. I think Kopecky had one decent season with Florida. I know what you're saying as a lot of these guys are slowing down but that was 3 and 4 years ago plus it provided a quick fix for some of those teams as they took advantage of the Hawks monetary situation.

Frolik has started to put the points up again with the Jets like he did with the Panthers. I definitely miss me some Frolik. Don't care how snake bitten (or really how poor his release was) but the guy played a high tempo pace and really helped out the depth in a big way. Plenty of players have gone on to do some good with other teams.