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In him winning a ring in 06 or playing great?
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Winning a ring. Don't think the Heat get it done without the bullshit/phantom calls
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Great players get calls. Let's not act like Jordan never benefitted from phantom calls and non calls. Wade was a beast in that series. One of the best finals ever.
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Wade got a lot of help from refs in that Finals. I think he has the record for FT attempts in a 6 game series. It was ridiculous. That said, I think Wade is on the Mt. Rushmore of shooting guards. Julius Erving was more of a 3 by the way...
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and of course Jordan. For example, right now, I'd take Joe Dumars in his prime over Butler (who hasn't reached his prime yet...duly noted.) But I'd take Wade over Dumars.
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and of course Jordan. For example, right now, I'd take Joe Dumars in his prime over Butler (who hasn't reached his prime yet...duly noted.) But I'd take Wade over Dumars.
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Oscar played point guard
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So did Michael Jordan. Don't see him on many GOAT point guard lists.
You can say he played shooting guard...I'll say because of ball usage, ESPN and Basketball-Reference.com that he's a point guard.
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it doesn't matter whose name you pull out of your ass to push Wade out of the top 3, hes undoubtedly top 5 ever at his position. so its still a reach to say Butler will ever reach his level. Wade in his 2nd year put up 24-5-7.
that best any year Jimmy has had in 5 years and likely will best any year Jimmy will have in his career and thats not even a career year for Wade...let that resonate.
Jimmy in the last 2 games has been phenomenal. but i can't see him having a whole season like that. if he does then maybe the discussion of him "potentiality" being better than Wade can be had...but right now its a knee jerk
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Comparing players in their rookie years means exactly **** and all. Situations are different coming into the league. Wade (nor Rose) wouldn't have started under Thibs, and had a tight leash in year 2.
By your logic, Cam Newton is a better QB than Aaron Rodgers, because Cam threw for over 4k yards as a rookie, and Rodgers couldn't even make his way on the field.
Where you start does not matter, it is where you finish.
And why has Wade fallen off so hard this season? He should still be prime by his age.
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Wade is about to be 34. On what planed is 34 prime for a wing NBA player. Prime is probably 26-28. After 29-30 you start to see a decline in almost all players. 34 is to breaking down age for almost all NBA wings.
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Wow..
Lets look at prime Wade:
| Season | Age | Tm | G | MP | FG | FGA | FG% | 3P | 3PA | 3P% | eFG% | FT | FTA | FT% | TRB | AST | STL | BLK | TOV | PTS |
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| 2005-06 ★ | 24 | MIA | 75 | 38.6 | 9.3 | 18.8 | .495 | 0.2 | 1.0 | .171 | .499 | 8.4 | 10.7 | .783 | 5.7 | 6.7 | 1.9 | 0.8 | 3.6 | 27.2 |
| 2006-07 ★ | 25 | MIA | 51 | 37.9 | 9.3 | 18.9 | .491 | 0.4 | 1.5 | .266 | .502 | 8.5 | 10.5 | .807 | 4.7 | 7.5 | 2.1 | 1.2 | 4.2 | 27.4 |
| 2007-08 ★ | 26 | MIA | 51 | 38.3 | 8.6 | 18.4 | .469 | 0.4 | 1.5 | .286 | .480 | 6.9 | 9.2 | .758 | 4.2 | 6.9 | 1.7 | 0.7 | 4.4 | 24.6 |
| 2008-09 ★ | 27 | MIA | 79 | 38.6 | 10.8 | 22.0 | .491 | 1.1 | 3.5 | .317 | .516 | 7.5 | 9.8 | .765 | 5.0 | 7.5 | 2.2 | 1.3 | 3.4 | 30.2 |
| 2009-10 ★ | 28 | MIA | 77 | 36.3 | 9.3 | 19.6 | .476 | 0.9 | 3.2 | .300 | .500 | 6.9 | 9.1 | .761 | 4.8 | 6.5 | 1.8 | 1.1 | 3.3 | 26.6 |
Lets look at prime Butler:
| Season | Age | Tm | G | MP | FG | FGA | FG% | 3P | 3PA | 3P% | eFG% | FT | FTA | FT% | TRB | AST | STL | BLK | TOV | PTS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2013-14 | 24 | CHI | 67 | 38.7 | 4.1 | 10.3 | .397 | 1.0 | 3.6 | .283 | .446 | 3.9 | 5.0 | .769 | 4.9 | 2.6 | 1.9 | 0.5 | 1.5 | 13.1 |
| 2014-15 ★ | 25 | CHI | 65 | 38.7 | 6.5 | 14.0 | .462 | 1.1 | 3.0 | .378 | .502 | 5.9 | 7.1 | .834 | 5.8 | 3.3 | 1.8 | 0.6 | 1.4 | 20.0 |
| 2015-16 | 26 | CHI | 33 | 37.8 | 7.3 | 16.0 | .459 | 1.2 | 3.5 | .330 | .495 | 6.2 | 7.5 | .831 | 4.8 | 3.9 | 1.8 | 0.8 | 1.9 | 22.1 |
I have a ton of trouble understanding how you can say the things you're saying.
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THIS ISN'T EVEN HIS FINAL FORM!
But actually though...Butler is not going to touch those numbers Wade put up.
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Whose game is built on speed. And that holds true for all athletes. But if your same is built on strength (think LeBron, Bryant, and Jordan) your prime lasts a lot longer. Same holds true for boxing, football, and every other physical sport. Speed is always the first thing to go. Power is the last.
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I don't understand your logic. You are saying if Butler got the same amount of PT as Wade (he didn't because he didn't deserve it) he would have put up the same numbers as Wade in his second season? LOL...Wade has played longer than projected being that he came into the league with bad knee problems. Over the course of Wade's career, it isn't close. Butler has a way to go to reach that level.
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you missed my point. my point was that Wade in his 2nd year, which isn't even a career year for him, will likely best any year Jimmy will have. it has nothing to do with the opportunity they were given.
Wades knees are shot. he had his meniscus removed in college which shaves the life span of your career. that has nothing to do with how good Wade was in his prime.
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Butler is hitting his ceiling.
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