Jonathan Toews Injury

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It was a meme from one of the old game day chats.</p>
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got it</p>

 

[phranchk]

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http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=447989</p></blockquote>That's a very interesting take by Fraser. Basically, the argument that's always used that it's not charging if the skates do not leave the ice till after contact is complete bullshit and it's the refs that morphed this rule on there own. It would certainly reduce the questionable hits like this if it were called.

 

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That's a very interesting take by Fraser. Basically, the argument that's always used that it's not charging if the skates do not leave the ice till after contact is complete bullshit and it's the refs that morphed this rule on there own. It would certainly reduce the questionable hits like this if it were called.</p>
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It would definitely give Orpik and other players second thoughts about leaving their feet or delivering a hit that malicious</p>

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

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That's a very interesting take by Fraser. Basically, the argument that's always used that it's not charging if the skates do not leave the ice till after contact is complete bullshit and it's the refs that morphed this rule on there own. It would certainly reduce the questionable hits like this if it were called.</p></blockquote>The funny thing is that has always been my take on a charging call. Fraser was the first of any professional ref to validate it.


What I do agree with, is that if head shots are to be reduced, the Scott Stevens mentality of exploding up (which was not the mentality of my hockey development until much, much later), needs to end. Can still have the same separation of the player and puck effect of not doing so...and not put yourself out of position. Worked well for a guy (me) that is 72" and was 180lbs separating guys that were taller and 30 lbs heavier. I just needed to get them away from the puck and then get back into the play.

 

[phranchk]

I think a bunch of people say "Wow, that was good old time hockey hit right there" it means that hit really isn't necessary in today's game. I used to love those types of hits, but honestly I'd rather see the skill and speed of the game. There's no reason to go after unsuspecting players like that. The only intent of hits like that are injury because in most cases the puck is nowhere near or it wouldn't have made an impact on the play of the puck.</p>


Also, the "He should've kept his head up" argument is kind of ludicrous too. Sure, it would be ideal if a player never, ever had to look down, but it happens and you have to from time to time.</p>


Maybe I'm just getting soft as I get older, but to me the joy in hockey is not in the hitting. I still enjoy a good, hard check, but not to unsuspecting players and not if you're going to leave your feet to do it.</p>

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

But it was deemed a clean hit so that means he didn't leave his feet.

 

[BigPete]

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I think a bunch of people say "Wow, that was good old time hockey hit right there" it means that hit really isn't necessary in today's game. I used to love those types of hits, but honestly I'd rather see the skill and speed of the game. There's no reason to go after unsuspecting players like that. The only intent of hits like that are injury because in most cases the puck is nowhere near or it wouldn't have made an impact on the play of the puck.</p>


Also, the "He should've kept his head up" argument is kind of ludicrous too. Sure, it would be ideal if a player never, ever had to look down, but it happens and you have to from time to time.</p>


Maybe I'm just getting soft as I get older, but to me the joy in hockey is not in the hitting. I still enjoy a good, hard check, but not to unsuspecting players and not if you're going to leave your feet to do it.</p>
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This is a great post.  I feel the same way these days.  I remember when I used to watch things like the Scott Stevens on Paul Kariya hit and say, "DAMN he got knocked the **** out!!!" all enthusiastically.  Now that I realize just what that can mean to a guy's career and personal health...I rarely say that anymore.</p>


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Hockey hits are fun to watch but anytime I hear "oh he just got his bell rung...no big deal" I cringe and grind my teeth a bit.  Concussions are a huge deal.  I'm glad there are a lot of scientific/medical studies looking at this issue.</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

A good, strong hit delivered to a player's head is cringe-worthy and needs to be out of the game regardless of the difference in player-heights.</p>


A good, strong hit delivered to a player's core is always to be applauded (assuming it's not from behind).</p>

 

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This is a great post.  I feel the same way these days.  I remember when I used to watch things like the Scott Stevens on Paul Kariya hit and say, "DAMN he got knocked the **** out!!!" all enthusiastically.  Now that I realize just what that can mean to a guy's career and personal health...I rarely say that anymore.</p>


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Hockey hits are fun to watch but anytime I hear "oh he just got his bell rung...no big deal" I cringe and grind my teeth a bit.  Concussions are a huge deal.  I'm glad there are a lot of scientific/medical studies looking at this issue.</p>
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Imagine if Stevens played today? He'd be as vilified as guys like Torres, and deservedly so, instead of being applauded to this day. That's just evident of the huge cultural disconnect the NHL has. The science may not have all been there back then to show just how dangerous concussions were, but....come on. They should've known better anyway.</p>

 

[BigPete]

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Imagine if Stevens played today? He'd be as vilified as guys like Torres, and deservedly so, instead of being applauded to this day. That's just evident of the huge cultural disconnect the NHL has. The science may not have all been there back then to show just how dangerous concussions were, but....come on. They should've known better anyway.</p>
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Stevens never really went looking for a hit though.  He simply lined up the guy, stood tall, and waited.  They charged at him like a matador charging a bull and not the other way around.  Still, he definitely hit high and most certainly hit with the intent of putting the guy into the locker room or worse.</p>

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Stevens was the NHL record high jumper....and he was always looking to take advantage of a big hit.</p>

 

[Samurai]

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Stevens never really went looking for a hit though...</p>
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Not all the time, just when he was on the ice during a game.</p>

 

[Tater]

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Not all the time, just when he was on the ice during a game.</p>
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[Pez68]

Would be nice to see Toews skating in practice. I mean, upper body injury, you would at least want to keep your legs fresh, right? My fear is...another concussion.</p>

 

[Tater]

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Would be nice to see Toews skating in practice. I mean, upper body injury, you would at least want to keep your legs fresh, right? My fear is...another concussion.</p>
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My fear too.Especially with it not being his first.</p>

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

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Would be nice to see Toews skating in practice. I mean, upper body injury, you would at least want to keep your legs fresh, right? My fear is...another concussion.</p>
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Definitely been my thought as well. Not sure why Q would be spewing the 100% stuff for round 1 if that is the case though. </p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

All kids are taught at Bantam when going to make a hit you need to bend your knees and explode through the hit. The biggest issue with now deeming that teaching invalid is you will see ALOT more guys using their hands and arms to push/explode through. That will result in more high hits and head contact than before.

 

[puckjim]

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Definitely been my thought as well. Not sure why Q would be spewing the 100% stuff for round 1 if that is the case though. </p>
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I do not believe Quenneville ever said that Toews would be 100% by the playoffs, and I also believe he skated yesterday.</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

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All kids are taught at Bantam when going to make a hit you need to bend your knees and explode through the hit. The biggest issue with now deeming that teaching invalid is you will see ALOT more guys using their hands and arms to push/explode through. That will result in more high hits and head contact than before.</p>
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I think at the lower levels--bantam, etc. is where they need to start the culture change by not so much saying "don't explode through the hit" but rather "here is your target zone" basically shoulders and below regardless of height difference.  If that means that John Scott has to stoop down to lay a hit on Gionta, so be it.</p>


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Part of the language spewed on the interwebs re. head hits is that in a height difference situation the taller player can't help but hitting the head of a shorter player.  I don't agree with that.  If the primary hit target is in a band around the body defined by the crest, you'll learn to bend down to get the right target and also keep your elbows down.</p>


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Just my thought on it. Again, an explosive hit to the core of a player usually doesn't result in severe injury--only if it goes excessively high or low.</p>

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

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I do not believe Quenneville ever said that Toews would be 100% by the playoffs, and I also believe he skated yesterday.</p>
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It was a direct quote via a Tweet if I recall but I do not feel like digging it up. </p>