Jordan deserves his own Hall of Fame

[R K]

I think this thread needs more "go **** yourself RK".

Listen ****** bag... When eddie pulls his dick out, let me know how you feel.



Oh it feels good to be back.



And FYI I'm married I "**** MYSELF" all the time!

 

[BigPete]

Like I said my abrasiveness aside I know many reasons why some of the specific members do not post here. Not all have anything to do with me or my posting/mod style but most just have personal reasons with other members that they just do not post. I'm not getting into specifics or names of members because that would not be right sending anyone under the bus. But I will say some were legit, some were legit and some were not so legit. When you are in the moderators shoes which way do they go? It's not as easy as some make it out to be and the moderaters do daily discuss that stuff as it arrises amongst themselve. There is nothing random about it.

I'm not telling/asking you Ron to throw anyone under the bus, but I would really love it if some people would be mature and adult enough to AIR THEIR GRIEVANCES as the title of the thread suggested. We are a highly disfunctional family here, but we are just that, a family. You can't make progress if people don't know what some of the issues are. I'm sure all of you will tell me that I don't know when to let go of a topic and talk too fucking much. I'd rather say a lot than nothing at all, and there have been plenty of times where I've either agreed to disagree or just gave up.



For Jim, and anyone else wondering or interested I was one of the biggest 'attackers' of Kerfluffle. So much so that Supraman told me to knock it off via PM. I know a lot of people don't think the guy should have been booted, but I was one of the people advocating it behind the scenes. It certainly wasn't my decision, but I do think he was more disruptive than participatory and for that reason just needed to 'not be here anymore'. Sorry if people don't like that, its my opinion. He was stuck in soundbite mode and kept inserting himself into the conversation but never tried to take it anywhere. And sorry Rob, but he wasn't anything like you and Chris and some of the other conservatives on the boards. He was a robot with no ability to learn or accept other people's opinions. We may go round and round on politics and religion but at the end of the day we accept that we don't believe the same things. And whether you notice it or not there are plenty of people on either side of the aisle. I have been ganged up by the other side a few times. My side has ganged up on some of you. At least it makes it lively around here.



And RK, most of us do like the drama. If that wasn't here, I could just as easily look at a wall for my entertainment and cerebral needs.

 

[supraman]

So much so that Supraman told me to knock it off via PM.

For the record the alternative was to actually do the whole warn thing and do the report for the other mods to read.

 

[BigPete]

For the record the alternative was to actually do the whole warn thing and do the report for the other mods to read.

I would have been okay with that. It is rule by committee is it not? I think an improvement could be for one or several mods to interface with the offender and ask them to explain their actions. Colin Campbell gives this opportunity to all of the players he takes umbridge with. As long as we all know it is a board rule then we shouldn't be upset or feel embarrased when a mod sends a PM that ASKS, "why are you so bent out of shape by poster X? Please tone it down so I don't have to suspend you."

 

[MassHavoc]

I would have been okay with that. It is rule by committee is it not? I think an improvement could be for one or several mods to interface with the offender and ask them to explain their actions. Colin Campbell gives this opportunity to all of the players he takes umbridge with. As long as we all know it is a board rule then we shouldn't be upset or feel embarrased when a mod sends a PM that ASKS, "why are you so bent out of shape by poster X? Please tone it down so I don't have to suspend you."

This is something we already do. It's something we do before we warn people. And to my knowledge In the past however many months, I can only think of 2 people that have had their warning level raised. And one of those two has had it gone back down and removed.

 

[supraman]

I would have been okay with that. It is rule by committee is it not? I think an improvement could be for one or several mods to interface with the offender and ask them to explain their actions. Colin Campbell gives this opportunity to all of the players he takes umbridge with. As long as we all know it is a board rule then we shouldn't be upset or feel embarrased when a mod sends a PM that ASKS, "why are you so bent out of shape by poster X? Please tone it down so I don't have to suspend you."

So next time you want me to take the more serious road instead of a PM that just says knock it off? really?



Yeah I asked you because i was trying to be civil, I guess you don't want that given your comments.



Next time I will warn you after consulting with the mods then proceed to TELL you to knock it off.





So much for being the nice guy, I guess when dealing with you Pete, you want me to be a raging prick. That's what I'm getting from your posts.



I don't want to be that way but I mean if you really want that, I'll oblige.

 

[R K]

Colin Campbell is a fraud.



I wasn't going to throw anyone under the bus but in the scenario you just posted where Supra then gave you a warning? That has cause several people to leave. Several people on that "initial list" created of older posters.



Same exact thing. So you are fucked if you do, and you fucked if you don't. Not all responses were like yours. Some had a very hard time with the warnings. Granted some were warranted the other way too, so it goes back to the fucked part.



Personally I don't give a shit either way, just as I will take that "I don't give a shit attitude" to the games with me now. I like hanging out with the wife and don't mind going out of my way NOT to say hi to people. Or do something for them when they ask, because I have access. It makes life much easier.

 

[R K]

This is something we already do. It's something we do before we warn people. And to my knowledge In the past however many months, I can only think of 2 people that have had their warning level raised. And one of those two has had it gone back down and removed.

For the most part no ones been physically warned because the route of "knock it off" is a much better way to go. Don't you agree?

 

[BigPete]

So next time you want me to take the more serious road instead of a PM that just says knock it off? really?



Yeah I asked you because i was trying to be civil, I guess you don't want that given your comments.



Next time I will warn you after consulting with the mods then proceed to TELL you to knock it off.





So much for being the nice guy, I guess when dealing with you Pete, you want me to be a raging prick. That's what I'm getting from your posts.



I don't want to be that way but I mean if you really want that, I'll oblige.

Wow I guess I flipped your switch. I am talking about having a procedure for dealing with these things. Take emotion out of the equation. I am a very passionate guy, but I also am a process manager at work and have spent hundreds of hours writing those very process and procedure documents along with consulting on other projects and processes over the past 7 years. If you have a process and follow it, its not you being the raging prick. You are just doing 'your job'. Get it?

 

[R K]

Wow I guess I flipped your switch. I am talking about having a procedure for dealing with these things. Take emotion out of the equation. I am a very passionate guy, but I also am a process manager at work and have spent hundreds of hours writing those very process and procedure documents along with consulting on other projects and processes over the past 7 years. If you have a process and follow it, its not you being the raging prick. You are just doing 'your job'. Get it?

I have managed 100's of people several timed at an extremely large company. Even if we had a process, which we kind of do, it still would not stop those from getting mad and leaving.



Get it?

 

[BigPete]

I wasn't going to throw anyone under the bus but in the scenario you just posted where Supra then gave you a warning? That has cause several people to leave. Several people on that "initial list" created of older posters.

Not sure I follow you here. Are you saying that some older posters were asked at times to cool it and took offense, then stopped posting as much?

 

[thanson1990]

You all can go **** yourselves cause reading this thread gave me a headache

 

[R K]

Not sure I follow you here. Are you saying that some older posters were asked at times to cool it and took offense, then stopped posting as much?

Yes! Ding ding ding ding....... And in some cases I don't blame them which makes it a NON win/win situation. It's a fine line for some folks.

 

[MassHavoc]

You all can go **** yourselves cause reading this thread gave me a headache

I'm pretty sure that's a universal truth of everyone who has participated in this thread no matter what side you are on... And I'm not saying that's a bad thing.

 

[R K]

You all can go **** yourselves cause reading this thread gave me a headache

Im fucking offended.

 

[BigPete]

I have managed 100's of people several timed at an extremely large company. Even if we had a process, which we kind of do, it still would not stop those from getting mad and leaving.



Get it?

Oh, right I get it now. You can't script everything and you are right, it comes down to managing people and their personalities. Sometimes you have to go with the flow of the conversation to bring them off the ledge.



I liken it to George Clooney's character in "Up in the Air". He made a living as a guy that fired people for companies so they wouldn't have to do it themselve. However, even he had certain things he was scripted to say. The rest of the conversation was his personal art of dealing with the person in a vulnerable and fragile state.



I propose all the mods watch "Up in the Air" and learn better conflict de-escalation. I'm just kidding, don't tell me to **** off.

 

[thanson1990]

Im fucking offended.

Then ban me...oh, wait you cant!

 

[R K]

Oh, right I get it now. You can't script everything and you are right, it comes down to managing people and their personalities. Sometimes you have to go with the flow of the conversation to bring them off the ledge.



I liken it to George Clooney's character in "Up in the Air". He made a living as a guy that fired people for companies so they wouldn't have to do it themselve. However, even he had certain things he was scripted to say. The rest of the conversation was his personal art of dealing with the person in a vulnerable and fragile state.



I propose all the mods watch "Up in the Air" and learn better conflict de-escalation. I'm just kidding, don't tell me to **** off.

And there are others tangibles you throw in there. Member A has been here from the start, while Member B just started. Who get's the leeway. Who's more valuable. Will "knock it off" work or like a physical warning will it just get worse.



Puck Jim specifically said it should be easy. He has no clue. And strange MIA through the rest of this he started Twittering.

 

[winos5]

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[Tater]

We could always hire the two Bobs from Office Space.

They would straighten this place up.