Jordan: I could score 100 in current NBA

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Drexler was NEVER that good...Drexler was an outstanding rebounder at the position and definitely a top notch scorer, but he couldn't put a team on his shoulders and win a title with them like Wade did. Wade is a superior player to Drexler on both sides of the court. Wade is on the Mt. Rushmore of shooting guards in my opinion...Jordan, Kobe, West, Wade...

The mid '80s may have been the peak of team basketball, the mid 90's I remember had a lot of complaining about how watered down the league was, and that even contraction should be considered instead of the expansion that happened.


Its like you say stupid stuff just for attention. If Wade & Co. had to go through the Jordan era Bulls to win a title like Drexler did, he would have also gone home a failure,...just like Drexler.
 

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Its like you say stupid stuff just for attention. If Wade & Co. had to go through the Jordan era Bulls to win a title like Drexler did, he would have also gone home a failure,...just like Drexler.

let me help you with a little history.

Clyde went to the finals before Jordan ever got there...and lost. I believe they were swept or lost in 5 off the top of my head.

The year the Lakers went to the finals in 1991, they upset the Blazers who were supposed to be the favorites and had the best record in the NBA that season. Clyde didn't win a title until he went to play with a hall of fame player...as the second banana, not the go to guy, that was in 1995.

And a little lesson for you grasshopper...next time you call a statement stupid, try to say something concrete in rebuttal and not make things up...that is all...
 

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Jordan averaged 8.5 free throw attempts in his career with the Bulls, one more than Kobe averages now in a 'softer' NBA.

My point being.....he got the calls when he was playing. If he wanted to, maybe he could have. I don't think Phil would have let him, however......
 

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let me help you with a little history.

Clyde went to the finals before Jordan ever got there...and lost. I believe they were swept or lost in 5 off the top of my head.

The year the Lakers went to the finals in 1991, they upset the Blazers who were supposed to be the favorites and had the best record in the NBA that season. Clyde didn't win a title until he went to play with a hall of fame player...as the second banana, not the go to guy, that was in 1995.

And a little lesson for you grasshopper...next time you call a statement stupid, try to say something concrete in rebuttal and not make things up...that is all...

Nice nothing response. Yeah, the Blazers were defeated by the Pistons who also would have beaten the 06 Heat.

Nice try though.
 

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Nice nothing response. Yeah, the Blazers were defeated by the Pistons who also would have beaten the 06 Heat.

Nice try though.

First and foremost, you are toooooooooooo much of an idiot to quote Kipling...you should quote someone on your intellectual level...Pee Wee Herman or somebody like that...


My response was based on fact, I am going to give you a homework assignment: stop talking about basketball until you know what the hell you are talking about. I gave a detailed explanation concerning Drexler...l know who he lost to. He got swept out of the Finals by them...I doubt seriously if that would have happened to that Heat team. How old are you anyway? 12 and a half? Learn the history of the game before talking to me...clown
 

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First and foremost, you are toooooooooooo much of an idiot to quote Kipling...you should quote someone on your intellectual level...Pee Wee Herman or somebody like that...


My response was based on fact, I am going to give you a homework assignment: stop talking about basketball until you know what the hell you are talking about. I gave a detailed explanation concerning Drexler...l know who he lost to. He got swept out of the Finals by them...I doubt seriously if that would have happened to that Heat team. How old are you anyway? 12 and a half? Learn the history of the game before talking to me...clown

Sorry but if the Pistons would have gone up 2-0 on the 06 Heat like the Mavs did, the series would have been over in short order. Whether the Heat would have won one game when Portland didnt is of little consequence. The point is that Miami won its title playing against competition that wasnt on the same level as the 90 Pistons or the 92 Bulls. If 06 Heat would have had to go through those teams in 06, they dont win a title either. What does that mean? That means the significance youre placing on Wade having a ring and Drexler not having one (with the Blazers) is BS.
 

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...and here's another thing Ill just add. Im not even necessarily disagreeing with the idea that Wade might have been better. But Im not as certain its as definitive as you are claiming. Olajuwon might have been the best center in the history of the NBA but he will not likely get credit or consideration because he played during the same time as Jordan. And again, you might be talking about the best center in the history of the NBA...but he's being dwarfed by playing at the same time as Jordan. Lets be real here. Jordan so thoroughly sucked the excellence out of everything that he left nothing for anyone else. Jordan played against some of the all time best players in the history of the league and effectively made it seem like they were furniture. Does anyone really ever say, "remember that great thing Magic Johnson did in the 91 Finals?", does anyone ever say, "remember that great play Karl Malone made in the 97 or 98 Finals?". No. It doesnt happen. What people remember is Jordan taking ownership of every series and making it his own. When people think of Malone in the 98 series, the most prominent memory is Jordan stripping him of the ball. And Karl Malone is probably the best PF in the history of the league. Again, Jordan made it seem like he was playing nerf basketball in his living room and Karl Malone was a chair.

Again, Wade might be better than Drexler was but some of your reasoning is beyond flawed. Wade might be better, or it could be that Drexler is better or as good but is a victim of playing during the same era as Jordan.
 
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Sorry but if the Pistons would have gone up 2-0 on the 06 Heat like the Mavs did, the series would have been over in short order. Whether the Heat would have won one game when Portland didnt is of little consequence. The point is that Miami won its title playing against competition that wasnt on the same level as the 90 Pistons or the 92 Bulls. If 06 Heat would have had to go through those teams in 06, they dont win a title either. What does that mean? That means the significance youre placing on Wade having a ring and Drexler not having one (with the Blazers) is BS.

Wade at 28 is a more accomplished player than Drexler at 28...Wade drops dead right now he is a hall of famer...

Wade has been an all star more times at this point, has won an all-star game and Finals MVP...he has already been AllNBA as many times as Drexler has during his whole career, and Drexler never made and All Defensive team which Wade has done 3 times...

I stand on my statement, based on facts. Now you can make crazy predictions as to what Wade would have done back then, I think he would have been a great player back then and is good enough to adjust to whatever the rules are.
 

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...and here's another thing Ill just add. Im not even necessarily disagreeing with the idea that Wade might have been better. But Im not as certain its as definitive as you are claiming. Olajuwon might have been the best center in the history of the NBA but he will not likely get credit or consideration because he played during the same time as Jordan. And again, you might be talking about the best center in the history of the NBA...but he's being dwarfed by playing at the same time as Jordan. Lets be real here. Jordan so thoroughly sucked the excellence out of everything that he left nothing for anyone else. Jordan played against some of the all time best players in the history of the league and effectively made it seem like they were furniture. Does anyone really ever say, "remember that great thing Magic Johnson did in the 91 Finals?", does anyone ever say, "remember that great play Karl Malone made in the 97 or 98 Finals?". No. It doesnt happen. What people remember is Jordan taking ownership of every series and making it his own. When people think of Malone in the 98 series, the most prominent memory is Jordan stripping him of the ball. And Karl Malone is probably the best PF in the history of the league. Again, Jordan made it seem like he was playing nerf basketball in his living room and Karl Malone was a chair.

Again, Wade might be better than Drexler was but some of your reasoning is beyond flawed. Wade might be better, or it could be that Drexler is better or as good but is a victim of playing during the same era as Jordan.

Nobody defines Karl Malone on that one play...nobody.

That said Jordan was dominant, but Olajuwon was widely recognized for winning 2 finals mvps during Jordan's retirement. He was the second best player of that era and gets plenty of props for his ability and achievements.

My point concerning Drexler is that he had the same opportunities against Joe Dumars and guess what....he didn't win. He had a chance against a very good Lakers team...and he failed. It wasn't just about Jordan. And that is not an excuse as to why he didn't win a title as the main guy.
 

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Wade at 28 is a more accomplished player than Drexler at 28...Wade drops dead right now he is a hall of famer...

Wade has been an all star more times at this point, has won an all-star game and Finals MVP...he has already been AllNBA as many times as Drexler has during his whole career, and Drexler never made and All Defensive team which Wade has done 3 times...

I stand on my statement, based on facts. Now you can make crazy predictions as to what Wade would have done back then, I think he would have been a great player back then and is good enough to adjust to whatever the rules are.

Once again with the bogus nonsense.

Lets just look at the pedigree of the 90 Pistons. In their ascension, they had to go through the 80s Celtics and the 80s Lakers in the NBA Finals. And after battling it out with the 80s Lakers and 80s Celtics, they won back to back titles.

Now, lets look at the pedigree of the 06 Mavs. They finally made it past the Spurs, which is an OK accomplishment but not compared to what youre looking at with the Pistons. And the Mavs havent made it to the NBA Finals since.

Sorry but the "Wade has a ring as a batman and Drexler doesnt" argument doesnt hold up to scrutiny when you look at who the Blazers faced in the finals and compare it with who the 06 Heat faced.

And good luck finding someone who actually thinks the 06 Mavs were even close to the championship mettle of the 90 Pistons.
 

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Nobody defines Karl Malone on that one play...nobody.

That said Jordan was dominant, but Olajuwon was widely recognized for winning 2 finals mvps during Jordan's retirement. He was the second best player of that era and gets plenty of props for his ability and achievements.

My point concerning Drexler is that he had the same opportunities against Joe Dumars and guess what....he didn't win. He had a chance against a very good Lakers team...and he failed. It wasn't just about Jordan. And that is not an excuse as to why he didn't win a title as the main guy.

Again with the nonsense. If the 06 Heat would have had to go up against the same teams the Blazers faced in the finals, Wade wouldnt have a ring as batman either.

Whether or not Drexler had the same chance to go against Dumars (which is also bogus when you look at how the Pistons defended back then) isnt even relevant. No one is contesting whether or not Drexler is as good as Jordan.
 

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The only problem I have with this is that scoring in general is down in the NBA. The game was much more wide open in the past. In 1985 teams average 110 points a game, now it is in the mid to low 90s.
 

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The only problem I have with this is that scoring in general is down in the NBA. The game was much more wide open in the past. In 1985 teams average 110 points a game, now it is in the mid to low 90s.

But how can that be? I thought nobody played defense in the NBA?
 

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Again with the nonsense. If the 06 Heat would have had to go up against the same teams the Blazers faced in the finals, Wade wouldnt have a ring as batman either.

Whether or not Drexler had the same chance to go against Dumars (which is also bogus when you look at how the Pistons defended back then) isnt even relevant. No one is contesting whether or not Drexler is as good as Jordan.


Everything you state is based on supposition and your own predictions...we all know how warped your basketball mind is. You just showed it by giving your analysis of Karl Malone's career. The facts speak for themselves however. Drexler was not as dominant in his first 6 years as Wade has been, not in any form. Wade is more accomplished in his role as the man on a contending team. I have never seen Drexler sustain a level of greatness akin to what Wade has done. Drexler was a fantastic player, but Wade was simply better.
 

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Well, I agree that if I was choosing between Wade and Drexler, I would probably choose Wade. I think that the 90's had the best talent... the mid-to-late 80's is pretty close in-comparison...

But as for the whole Wilt Chamberlain debate, I will concede that some of the things Wilt claimed that he could do in the 90s were laughable. He did have better competition, back then in the 60's, than people give him credit for. But there is no way he would average 50 points. The rebounds would have somewhat have dipped out too. But, I say he is definitely a top 10 player of all-time. The guy has ludacris stats (even per-36 minutes) and has had some team success in an era monopolized by the heavily-stacked Boston Celtics.

I think you totally underestimate the last 10 years of basketball. In a 30 team league I think the talent is outstanding. The 1990's never had wing players this good...not even close. Granted, the centers are lacking but Shaq would hold his own against any of those boys from the 1990's. And let's not even get into point guards...not even close. Kevin Johnson and Terrell Brandon were the successors to Isiah and Magic. No way are they on the same level as these boys. I think you should enjoy what may be one of the greatest eras in NBA history happening right before your eyes...
 

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Everything you state is based on supposition and your own predictions...we all know how warped your basketball mind is. You just showed it by giving your analysis of Karl Malone's career. The facts speak for themselves however. Drexler was not as dominant in his first 6 years as Wade has been, not in any form. Wade is more accomplished in his role as the man on a contending team. I have never seen Drexler sustain a level of greatness akin to what Wade has done. Drexler was a fantastic player, but Wade was simply better.

I like how what I say is subjective but what youre saying isnt. Ha. Youre so full of s*it.

Its also kind of amusing how you harp on Wade having a ring and point out the Blazers failures in certain years. But you completely overlook that Drexler was batman on two teams that made it to the NBA Finals, while Wade was only on a team that made it to one. Mind you, this isnt even my reasoning as much as its identifying other issues where youre way of thinking is concerened as it has been expressed here. Why does winning a ring overshadow making it to the finals twice especially when the Heat faced the 06 Mavs, while Drexlers Blazer teams had to face the likes of the 90 Pistons and the 92 Bulls.

Its also interesting how you overlook some of Miami's failures in other years. Didnt the Bulls sweep the Heat the year following the year Miami won the finals? Why do you hold loss to the Lakers in 91 against Drexler and completely ignore Heat failures where Wade was batman? Again, Im not taking the position that Drexler is better but Im exposing some of your reasoning.
 
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BTW, I did some checking and comparing. Here is some #s from Clyde from age 22-28, which is Wades career to this point.

FG%- 49.3
Reb- 6.56 per game
Ast- 6.26 per game

Here is Wade to this point:
FG%- 48.2
Reb- 4.9
Ast- 6.6

Drexler is also better in steals and turnovers.
 
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BTW, I did some checking and comparing. Here is some #s from Clyde from age 22-28, which is Wades career to this point.

FG%- 49.3
Reb- 6.56 per game
Ast- 6.26 per game

Here is Wade to this point:
FG%- 48.2
Reb- 4.9
Ast- 6.6

Drexler is also better in steals and turnovers.

You can't just strictly compare separated time periods like that, though, because as someone said before, the NBA was a much different league when Drexler was 22--all the way up until he was 28--than it is today. Over that period of Drexler's career, the average NBA team scored 108.8 points per game. During that same age period over Wade's career, however, the average NBA team has scored only 98.8 PPG.

Drexler's PPG, ages 22-28: 22.37
Wade's PPG, ages 22-28: 25.41

We will ignore for the moment that the 3.04 PPG difference (in Wade's favor) certainly makes up--perhaps more so--for the 1.66 difference in rebounds (in Drexler's favor) and the 0.49 difference in steals per game and the 0.62 difference in turnovers per game because, as has been pointed out many, many times on this board, scoring is more important than any other facet of the game.

So then, ignoring all that, what we have to do is account for the context in which Drexler's numbers were put up relative to Wade's. To do that, let's just simply add one point to each era's Team average PPG totals. This will represent the Minimum League-Average Win (MLAW) for both eras (109.8 for Drexler, 99.8 for Wade), which is the minimum number of points that need to be scored if you are playing the league-average team for that era (we will assume that in that game, each team will play era-dependent defense).

Looking at the numbers, Wade's PPG is worth .254 MLAWs' per game in his own era, whereas Drexler's scoring would net his team .204 wins per game in his own, making Wade's production roughly 25% more valuable against a neutral backdrop. In fact, Drexler would have had to average 27.9 PPG to equal what Wade has done so far in his career. And even if Wade and Drexler scored the same amount of points per game over the time span we are interested in, Wade's production would still be more valuable than Drexler's (to the tune of about 9%), because Wade scored his points during a time when they were harder to come by than they were in Drexler's day.

Now, taking into account the fact that scoring is the most important aspect of the NBA, Wade is clearly the superior player, and by a wide margin. You can look at strict differences in stats when eras are comparable (i.e. closer together both in terms of time and the league environment), but when they become separated by longer and longer spans of time, you have to take into account the differences in the leagues of the respective eras you are inquiring about before you can value the statistics put up in those eras.

This notion is similar to the one applied to minor league baseball statistics: given the variability across different parks and leagues in the minors (for instance, the entire California League and a good number of the Pacific Coast League teams play their games at altitude significant enough to influence the flight of a baseball so much so that it needs to be accounted for either by park factors, league factors or both), one must consider the context in which batting and pitching lines are put up before one can properly valuate a prospect. An .800 OPS in the California League is just slightly above average, but in the Florida State League it is other-worldly.
 
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I like how what I say is subjective but what youre saying isnt. Ha. Youre so full of s*it.

Its also kind of amusing how you harp on Wade having a ring and point out the Blazers failures in certain years. But you completely overlook that Drexler was batman on two teams that made it to the NBA Finals, while Wade was only on a team that made it to one. Mind you, this isnt even my reasoning as much as its identifying other issues where youre way of thinking is concerened as it has been expressed here. Why does winning a ring overshadow making it to the finals twice especially when the Heat faced the 06 Mavs, while Drexlers Blazer teams had to face the likes of the 90 Pistons and the 92 Bulls.

Its also interesting how you overlook some of Miami's failures in other years. Didnt the Bulls sweep the Heat the year following the year Miami won the finals? Why do you hold loss to the Lakers in 91 against Drexler and completely ignore Heat failures where Wade was batman? Again, Im not taking the position that Drexler is better but Im exposing some of your reasoning.

I believe Wade was a shell of himself when the Bulls swept the Heat. No way does that Bulls team sweep the Heat otherwise. His production was down in that playoff comparable to all other playoff years with the exception of his rookie season.

My pointing out that Wade won as the main man points to his suitability for that position...over Drexler. Better clutch player with the ability to take over and dominate games when compared to Drexler. That is why I brought up a ring. The same reason people bring up rings with other great players in this sport. It is how great players are measured.

You pick out three stats that support what you seem to be arguing, that Drexler is better, though you say that is not your position. You regurgitate what I already stated about Drexler's rebounding. And Drexler having more steals definitely doesn't mean he is a better defensive player than Wade, so why did you bring that up...

I can tell you in what ways Wade was better on the court, because I saw the both of them play in their primes. You should actually try watching those players play...and find flaws in your own damn reasoning.
 

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I think when the Bulls swept the Heat, Wade and a few other people were playing injured.
 

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