Jordan Love

[Leomaz]

The Bears will need to find a QB desperately going into 2021 and it’s looking like there could be 4 QBs taken before the Bears pick. Would you trade 2021 2nd round pick for a guy who spent a year learning behind Rodgers and was a 1st round pick in 2020? I liked JL a lot coming out of college.

Rodgers is looking dominant and the Packers might consider selling out for 1-2 more chips. They can get a really good receiver for Rodgers with a mid 2nd round pick.

Ultimately these two teams hate each other and it will never happen but would you do it? Or is the consensus to ride with Mitch for one more contract?

Absolutely not.

 

[10veitout]

That's not his physical comparison. It's who you want his physical comparison to be. But, hey, you keep dreaming that you've got Mahomes. I'm sure you won't be disappointed

Yes, it is lol. His whole draft billing was based off if physically being identical to Mahomes. This is why he was being called the next Mahomes by dratniks all throughout the process.

Deny reality all you want, not changing a thing.

 

[10veitout]

He’s got the next Mahomes who will spend the next 4 years on the bench because of Rodgers. Then they’re going to let Rodgers walk. Then they’re going to have to extend Mahomes Part 2 in order to keep him. All without seeing Mahomes Part 2 play much. But it’s ok, because, you know, he has a similar physical skill set to Mahomes.

As a Bears fan I love that plan.

Love might not spend all that time on the bench, it just depends on how he develops and how Rodgers plays.

But even if he does, why would you love that plan? Did Rodgers waiting three seasons work out for you? Did extending him after he hardly played work out for you?

Why would a Bears fan love the same plan that caused them to get owned by Rodgers for over a decade lol.

 

[bearsfan1977]

Love might not spend all that time on the bench, it just depends on how he develops and how Rodgers plays.

But even if he does, why would you love that plan? Did Rodgers waiting three seasons work out for you? Did extending him after he hardly played work out for you?

Why would a Bears fan love the same plan that caused them to get owned by Rodgers for over a decade lol.

The plan involving Rodgers has nothing to do with the plan involving Love. They are not the same player. Love didn’t show 1/100 the polish Rodgers did in college. The chances of Love being a HOF QB are infinitely small statistically.

If any other team had Rodgers with 3 years on his contract and used a 1st on Love, you would be laughing. The fact you hit on the best QB I’ve ever seen in Rodgers has absolutely nothing to do with Jordan Love. That is what you’re not understanding.

 

[10veitout]

The plan involving Rodgers has nothing to do with the plan involving Love. They are not the same player. Love didn’t show 1/100 the polish Rodgers did in college. The chances of Love being a HOF QB are infinitely small statistically.

If any other team had Rodgers with 3 years on his contract and used a 1st on Love, you would be laughing. The fact you hit on the best QB I’ve ever seen in Rodgers has absolutely nothing to do with Jordan Love. That is what you’re not understanding.

The plan involving Rodgers was identical to the plan involving Love. That they aren't the same exact prospect is irrelevant non sequitur.

Sure, Love wasn't as polished as Rodgers coming out of college, but Love's top end physical ability was far clearer on college tape, whereas Rodgers arm and mobility ended up being revealed to have been extremely under identified as a prospect. Also considering they would both sit for numerous seasons, why would 'polish' be a major factor?

The chances of any QB being a HOFer are small, Rodgers and Favre included, but they managed. Also, Favre was an even rawer, less polished prospect than Love, with less mobility.

Um, no, I wouldn't lol. Smart teams think ahead, especially in regards to the QB position. Rodgers sat for around the same number of seasons as Love will, anyone who would 'laugh' at this plan was probably laughing up a storm when the Packers drafted Rodgers lol.

The Rodgers pick was made under nearly identical circumstance, and worked out incredibly, so why would you criticize the Packers for initiating the same plan? Because you personally dont think Love will amount to much?

 

[bearsfan1977]

The plan involving Rodgers was identical to the plan involving Love. That they aren't the same exact prospect is irrelevant non sequitur.

Sure, Love wasn't as polished as Rodgers coming out of college, but Love's top end physical ability was far clearer on college tape, whereas Rodgers arm and mobility ended up being revealed to have been extremely under identified as a prospect. Also considering they would both sit for numerous seasons, why would 'polish' be a major factor?

The chances of any QB being a HOFer are small, Rodgers and Favre included, but they managed. Also, Favre was an even rawer, less polished prospect than Love, with less mobility.

Um, no, I wouldn't lol. Smart teams think ahead, especially in regards to the QB position. Rodgers sat for around the same number of seasons as Love will, anyone who would 'laugh' at this plan was probably laughing up a storm when the Packers drafted Rodgers lol.

The Rodgers pick was made under nearly identical circumstance, and worked out incredibly, so why would you criticize the Packers for initiating the same plan? Because you personally dont think Love will amount to much?

Yes, because Love will not amount to much. His tape and statistical odds favor my opinion. As a side point, everyone says he is a great dude, so I hope he does find success, just not with the Packers.

 

[10veitout]

Yes, because Love will not amount to much. His tape and statistical odds favor my opinion. As a side point, everyone says he is a great dude, so I hope he does find success, just not with the Packers.

So, the idea that our plan is flawed, entirely depends upon your wishful assumption that Love won't be good? That isnt how you judge personnel decisions.

His sophomore tape is phenomenal, you must be referring to specifically his junior tape, which still exceeds every season of Brett Favre's collegiate career.

The statistical odds didn't favor Rodgers or Favre being HOFers either, still happened.

 

[Montucky]

Yes, it is lol. His whole draft billing was based off if physically being identical to Mahomes. This is why he was being called the next Mahomes by dratniks all throughout the process.

Deny reality all you want, not changing a thing.

Yeah man, just deny the obvious reality that Jordan Love is next Pat Mahomes. Shit, he's probably going to be better than Mahomes! To say otherwise would just be denying reality and coping. The Packers know a thing or two about quarterbacks which is we made such an effort for Deshone Kizer and Brian Brohm.

 

[10veitout]

Yeah man, just deny the obvious reality that Jordan Love is next Pat Mahomes. Shit, he's probably going to be better than Mahomes! To say otherwise would just be denying reality and coping. The Packers know a thing or two about quarterbacks which is we made such an effort for Deshone Kizer and Brian Brohm.

I never said any of what you just said, captain caricature lol.

To deny Jordan Love's physical and skillset comparison is Mahomes, would be coping, yes.

Favre (traded to us for a 1st), Rodgers (1st), Brohm (late 2nd), that's two HOFers to out of three high round picks. Looks pretty good to me.

Why do you mention Kizer? We aren't good at QBs because we took a flyer on a developmental backup whom we gave up nothing for, for a season?

 

[Montucky]

I never said any of what you just said, captain caricature lol.

To deny Jordan Love's physical and skillset comparison is Mahomes, would be coping, yes.

Favre (traded to us for a 1st), Rodgers (1st), Brohm (late 2nd), that's two HOFers to out of three high round picks. Looks pretty good to me.

Why do you mention Kizer? We aren't good at QBs because we took a flyer on a developmental backup whom we gave up nothing for, for a season?

Everyone responsible for the development of Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre, except for Aaron Rodgers himself, is out of the Packers organisation. Unless you think its something about the colors or name of the team this arrogance isn't really founded.

 

[bearsfan1977]

So, the idea that our plan is flawed, entirely depends upon your wishful assumption that Love won't be good? That isnt how you judge personnel decisions.

His sophomore tape is phenomenal, you must be referring to specifically his junior tape, which still exceeds every season of Brett Favre's collegiate career.

The statistical odds didn't favor Rodgers or Favre being HOFers either, still happened.

Your whole premise is based on YOUR wishful assumption that Love will be an elite QB, which he probably won’t.

What would your opinion be if the Chiefs used a late first round pick on Jamie Newman?

 

[msadows]

Your whole premise is based on YOUR wishful assumption that Love will be an elite QB, which he probably won’t.

What would your opinion be if the Chiefs used a late first round pick on Jamie Newman?

He thinks because the packers drafted one QB that ended up becoming great that means every QB they ever draft again will be great.

Not saying love won't be good, but It's a stupid thought process. QB's fail more often than not in the first round.

 

[bearsfan1977]

He thinks because the packers drafted one QB that ended up becoming great that means every QB they ever draft again will be great.

Not saying love won't be good, but It's a stupid thought process. QB's fail more often than not in the first round.

Exactly. It would seem to be a simple point that one can understand.

 

[msadows]

Exactly. It would seem to be a simple point that one can understand.

Its like.....the bears are amazing at drafting defense over the years, and then they drafted Shea.

The draft is a crapshoot. There isn't some magical recipe where a GM can predict the future. Every player is a risk, Jordan Love was a big risk. Yes, he has high upside, but he wouldn't even have been a first round pick this year if he entered this draft.

 

[Nelly]

Moot point. The Packers didn't draft Love to replace Rodgers any time soon. Look how they drafted Rodgers to sit behind Favre for 3 years.

 

[Briggs is GOAT]

Yeah man, just deny the obvious reality that Jordan Love is next Pat Mahomes. Shit, he's probably going to be better than Mahomes! To say otherwise would just be denying reality and coping. The Packers know a thing or two about quarterbacks which is we made such an effort for Deshone Kizer and Brian Brohm.

He will be better than Mahomes but worse than Rodgers (since Rodgers is obviously better than Mahomes).

 

[Montucky]

Its like.....the bears are amazing at drafting defense over the years, and then they drafted Shea.

The draft is a crapshoot. There isn't some magical recipe where a GM can predict the future. Every player is a risk, Jordan Love was a big risk. Yes, he has high upside, but he wouldn't even have been a first round pick this year if he entered this draft.

Its all about whether a guy is talented enough for his skills to translate into the NFL (this is the scouting portion) and then whether the player has the work ethic and mentality to survive in the league. The first one can sort of be determined by skilled scouts, the latter is almost impossible to predict.

 

[10veitout]

Everyone responsible for the development of Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre, except for Aaron Rodgers himself, is out of the Packers organisation. Unless you think its something about the colors or name of the team this arrogance isn't really founded.

The Packers current personnel department is one long continuation of the personnel department that found those guys, with numerous executives that were present for both Favre and Rodgers acquisitions.

As far as coaches go, Holmgrens staff had no relation to McCarthy's staff, yet Rodgers still became a HOFer. Lafleur has a great QB history, every QB he ever had save for injured Mariota, had their best career season with Lafluer as their QB coach, OC, or HC.

 

[10veitout]

Your whole premise is based on YOUR wishful assumption that Love will be an elite QB, which he probably won’t.

What would your opinion be if the Chiefs used a late first round pick on Jamie Newman?

No, my premise is that he has extraordinarily high upside and is worth the risk of a single 1st rounder, and we have had success with this plan (which bearsfan1977 had criticized) before.

Newman isn't a 1st round prospect, and Mahomes is in his early 20s as opposed to 36 lol.

 

[10veitout]

He thinks because the packers drafted one QB that ended up becoming great that means every QB they ever draft again will be great.

Not saying love won't be good, but It's a stupid thought process. QB's fail more often than not in the first round.

We acquired three great HOF QBs, including two in a row.

I never said every QB for us would be a HOFer, but why would one criticize us for doing the same thing that has worked so well for us before, until it actually, you know, doesnt work?

You not wanting Love to be good, does not equal him being a bad or dumb pick lol.

High upside QBs are absolutely worth the risk of a 1st rounder, especially when it's a team known for its QB prowess.