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Oh I still take frank. That bat was ginormous.

And that is exactly the point that MRubio was trying to make. That a reasonable ceiling for Rizzo is a very good player, but no where near that Thomas/Pujols bat.
 

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First he didn't even mention frank. Clear bias.

Anyone that wants to think Rizzo has an above average ceiling is fine. Calling his ceiling being Paulie is crazy talk. Could it happen? Sure. Could the 2012 Cubs make the playoffs? Sure. But that is the same type of crazy talk
 

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First he didn't even mention frank. Clear bias.

Anyone that wants to think Rizzo has an above average ceiling is fine. Calling his ceiling being Paulie is crazy talk. Could it happen? Sure. Could the 2012 Cubs make the playoffs? Sure. But that is the same type of crazy talk

Okay saying a top 50 prospect ceiling is a very good major league player is crazy talk but omitting Frank Thomas from a list of Hall of Fame 1B is clear bias?

I think part of the issue is what are we talking about is Paul Konerko. Konerko has put up some of his best seasons at age 34, 35, and now 36. Those seasons have been near elite or elite level production. I am not saying that those seasons are what Rizzo's ceiling are, but a mid 800 OPS, which is Konerko's career OPS btw, is a perfectly reasonable estimation for his ceiling. For example just this year John Sickels wrote that Rizzo's maximum outcome, i.e. ceiling, was Ryan Howard, but I guess he is crazy too.
 

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Yes he is. The whole ceiling is bad
 

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Yes he is. The whole ceiling is bad

I think you are confusing ceiling, best possible outcome if he develops the way scouts and other insiders project, and liklihood of reaching that ceiling. It isn't a guarantee that Rizzo reaches his ceiling, but he has the physical tools to be an above average major leaguer.
 

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Before we all projecting Rizzo lets see what he does in MLB. Guys have killed in minors for years then come to majors and cant hit. We can all pray he be the middle of order bat but till he does it lets just wait
 

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Before we all projecting Rizzo lets see what he does in MLB. Guys have killed in minors for years then come to majors and cant hit. We can all pray he be the middle of order bat but till he does it lets just wait

No one, besides :homer:, is penciling Rizzo in for the next decade as a middle of the order bat, but to deny that he has the potential to be that is silly when just about every expert agrees that he does.
 

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And the experts are almost always wrong. If you want to ceiling him at Paulie be my guest. There is no ban on crazy talk
 

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And the experts are almost always wrong. If you want to ceiling him at Paulie be my guest. There is no ban on crazy talk

You certainly would have to be more concerned if there was :troll:
 

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Yes. Crazies do run the place.

Ok when are we going to do a redraft or all time draft?
 

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No one, besides :homer:, is penciling Rizzo in for the next decade as a middle of the order bat, but to deny that he has the potential to be that is silly when just about every expert agrees that he does.

Experts are

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y3QoFnqZc][Scrubs] - Wrong wrong wrong wrong! - YouTube[/ame]


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We got the shtick. You don't like prospects, but at this point unless you got any real evidence besides vague experts are wrong, prospects fail you can...

Star Trek - Shut Up! - YouTube

i know prospects are needed to help build a team. I just know 90% of them never live up to the hype.

I thought you love my Wrong video though :)
 

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It is a good one, but not my favorite Dr. Cox saying wrong.
 
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