Justin Fields “BOMBSHELL” News!!!

[Xplosive]

He would still be an equal sized idiot for wasting years 2 and 3 for that same QB and not getting oline and WRs because he wanted to stockpile DBs.
Had he removed all doubt he could get another haul for #1.

This is the fun part, we can play 20/20 hindsight on the players he could've got vs the players he did get and how they all worked out.
The DBs he got didn't do much without pass rush. The defense he focused on not only didn't have much to defend they didn't do much to defend it when they did.

If it turns out that Fields is great Poles is just an idiot no matter how Williams turns out.

I like Poles but I can see your point

 

[nc0gnet0]

See right off the bat your premise is showing you're not thinking critically. Regardless of what the fans want, Ryan poles is the decision maker. One of the reasons I am still uncertain on fields is that it's entirely possible that Ryan trades the first overall pick for more picks, and values a quarterback other than justin or Caleb or even Drake Maye. He might trade the first overall pick and Fields...

If you're going to think critically, you have to take yourself out of the fan perspective and put yourself in the perspective of a GM considering every possibility. And then look at the actions and behaviors around the team and some of the things that have been quoted and try to work backwards from that.

Lets say I run an auction house, and I have in my possession a 1911 AMERICAN TOBACCO COMPANY Honus Wagner baseball card. How do I generate the most interest to get maximum value in the auction for this card? Do I try some elaborate smoke screen to try to convince people it might not be for auction, or do I make it public, and get the most bidders possible interested to drive up the price?

It is you that is seriously lacking in the critical thinking department. What you suggest "might" be happening only works if there is only one interested party. This is not the case with the #1 pick in this draft.

CW will be a Bear, JF will be traded, deal with it.

 

[Bearly]

Lets say I run an auction house, and I have in my possession a 1911 AMERICAN TOBACCO COMPANY Honus Wagner baseball card. How do I generate the most interest to get maximum value in the auction for this card? Do I try some elaborate smoke screen to try to convince people it might not be for auction, or do I make it public, and get the most bidders possible interested to drive up the price?

It is you that is seriously lacking in the critical thinking department. What you suggest "might" be happening only works if there is only one interested party. This is not the case with the #1 pick in this draft.

CW will be a Bear, JF will be traded, deal with it.

Exactly. Making teams think it's unavailable only deters the feeding frenzy and bidding war.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Exactly. Making teams think it's unavailable only deters the feeding frenzy and bidding war.

it is the most God awful stupid argument I have ever heard.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Lets say I run an auction house, and I have in my possession a 1911 AMERICAN TOBACCO COMPANY Honus Wagner baseball card. How do I generate the most interest to get maximum value in the auction for this card? Do I try some elaborate smoke screen to try to convince people it might not be for auction, or do I make it public, and get the most bidders possible interested to drive up the price?

It is you that is seriously lacking in the critical thinking department. What you suggest "might" be happening only works if there is only one interested party. This is not the case with the #1 pick in this draft.

CW will be a Bear, JF will be traded, deal

So do you realize that in auction houses, sellers of extremely expensive merchandise will occasionally send in their own bidders to try to artificially inflate the price of purchase by making their own bids? Or are you too fucking stupid and illiterate on the sort of things to realize that?

Another example would be talking about a property that's gone up for sale in a hot Market and the property is a prime piece of Real Estate.

You as the owner of that property looking to sell Are looking to maximize the profits of this Prime piece of real estate. If you have a lot of interest, one thing you might do is try to play everyone off of each other by getting them into a bidding war. You may even try to artificially inflate the price.

These types of negotiating tactics go on all over the place. Just because you're too fucking stupid to get it doesn't mean they don't happen.

 

[CaliBearFan]

OK let's try some of that critical thinking.

Fields is our guy or Williams is our guy. There is no amount of offers that's going to change that.

If you're wishy washy on both players you stick with the one you know. It's never going to be make me an offer I can't refuse to change my mind about the OK player I'm good with to take the player I think would be equal.

If you want the money for #1 it takes a player like Williams and many teams bidding for him. That is why it's not done with the #1 QB.

You're not keeping a 1st round QB on his rookie contract and getting another rookie QB at #1 to make one a backup. The only smokescreen is in fan's minds trying to rationalize what they want to believe.

There is always a chance however unlikely that Poles values another rookie QB higher than both of them. We would have no way of knowing.

 

[Da Coach]

Not buying it until I hear confirmation from his bartender

 

[Myk]

See right off the bat your premise is showing you're not thinking critically. Regardless of what the fans want, Ryan poles is the decision maker. One of the reasons I am still uncertain on fields is that it's entirely possible that Ryan trades the first overall pick for more picks, and values a quarterback other than justin or Caleb or even Drake Maye. He might trade the first overall pick and Fields...

If you're going to think critically, you have to take yourself out of the fan perspective and put yourself in the perspective of a GM considering every possibility. And then look at the actions and behaviors around the team and some of the things that have been quoted and try to work backwards from that.

We're not talking about all that. Funny you talk about critical thinking but then refuse to.

He either wants Fields or he wants a QB with #1. Keeping that a secret does not help the value of either.
There is no rational reason for a smokescreen with either situation.

Nobody is trading Fields and the #1 to get a different QB later.
If KC or GB had the #1 when they got Mahomes or Rodgers they either would've got different QBs with #1 or they would've got those QBs with #1. Nobody is playing games with the #1 when they want a QB.
Not only would that be too big of a risk it would piss off the QB you took at #26 if you had the #1 and traded back so you could save a few dollars on their rookie contract.

I am out of this I don't care what QB we have between them. I only say no thanks to the other ones but Maye is close enough to Williams I could warm up to that.
You obviously are sold on Fields being able to do it after 3 years of nothing to help him learn. I'm not.
The closest I can come to that is to say get the haul for #1, get an offense and then if Fields still can't do it get a QB in '25-'26 with that offense in place. And a lot of that is because I don't trust the Bears to get a QB and fill in the offense later.

There is always a chance however unlikely that Poles values another rookie QB higher than both of them. We would have no way of knowing.

See above. You still take that QB #1 because anyone you trade #1 to is going there for a QB.

 

[nc0gnet0]

So do you realize that in auction houses, sellers of extremely expensive merchandise will occasionally send in their own bidders to try to artificially inflate the price of purchase by making their own bids? Or are you too fucking stupid and illiterate on the sort of things to realize that?

Another example would be talking about a property that's gone up for sale in a hot Market and the property is a prime piece of Real Estate.

You as the owner of that property looking to sell Are looking to maximize the profits of this Prime piece of real estate. If you have a lot of interest, one thing you might do is try to play everyone off of each other by getting them into a bidding war. You may even try to artificially inflate the price.

These types of negotiating tactics go on all over the place. Just because you're too fucking stupid to get it doesn't mean they don't happen.

Seriously dude, you are the stupid one here, deal with it. Making people think you might not sell the property is not a way to maximize the sale price. Good lord, buy a clue, would you?

I am so looking forward to how you try to spin the egg on your face when the Bears do use the #1 pick to pick a QB.

 

[Myk]

I like Poles but I can see your point

Actually I do too and I hang a lot of the focus on defense on Flus. DBs are sure not how Poles talked and there was no reason for him to blow Trenches smoke up our asses when he could've impressed most Chicago fans by blowing defense smoke up our asses.

 

[nc0gnet0]

We're not talking about all that. Funny you talk about critical thinking but then refuse to.

He either wants Fields or he wants a QB with #1. Keeping that a secret does not help the value of either.
There is no rational reason for a smokescreen with either situation.

Nobody is trading Fields and the #1 to get a different QB later.
If KC or GB had the #1 when they got Mahomes or Rodgers they either would've got different QBs with #1 or they would've got those QBs with #1. Nobody is playing games with the #1 when they want a QB.
Not only would that be too big of a risk it would piss off the QB you took at #26 if you had the #1 and traded back so you could save a few dollars on their rookie contract.

I am out of this I don't care what QB we have between them. I only say no thanks to the other ones but Maye is close enough to Williams I could warm up to that.
You obviously are sold on Fields being able to do it after 3 years of nothing to help him learn. I'm not.
The closest I can come to that is to say get the haul for #1, get an offense and then if Fields still can't do it get a QB in '25-'26 with that offense in place. And a lot of that is because I don't trust the Bears to get a QB and fill in the offense later.




See above. You still take that QB #1 because anyone you trade #1 to is going there for a QB.

In which case you have to give up "THE HAUL" to move up to draft a lesser QB in 2025, so how, in what world, was this a good move?

 

[Myk]

In which case you have to give up "THE HAUL" to move up to draft a lesser QB in 2025, so how, in what world, was this a good move?

What are you planning on getting for the #1, a future 7th???

For any substantial trade down that gets a haul a future 1st is part of it. 2 present year 1sts when you need to replace a rookie QB contract are high enough to beat out anyone's offer for #1.
The only issue is if the team with #1 wants a QB and that's likely but you still have plenty to move up for a hyped QB somewhere in the top.

If the QB isn't there in '25 you trade down for a future in '26 again.
Same thing I said was a possibility this year before we knew we got the #1 in the trade.

 

[Xplosive]

Actually I do too and I hang a lot of the focus on defense on Flus. DBs are sure not how Poles talked and there was no reason for him to blow Trenches smoke up our asses when he could've impressed most Chicago fans by blowing defense smoke up our asses.

I agree that Flus is the reason for many of the picks and FA decisions, but since Poles decided he loves Flus it's on him too

 

[nc0gnet0]

What are you planning on getting for the #1, a future 7th???

For any substantial trade down that gets a haul a future 1st is part of it. 2 present year 1sts when you need to replace a rookie QB contract are high enough to beat out anyone's offer for #1.
The only issue is if the team with #1 wants a QB and that's likely but you still have plenty to move up for a hyped QB somewhere in the top.

If the QB isn't there in '25 you trade down for a future in '26 again.
Same thing I said was a possibility this year before we knew we got the #1 in the trade.

As I said, you would end up giving up any draft capital you gained by having to trade up in 2025, and in your case, your not even getting the top QB in 2025, you would be getting the 2nd or 3rd best QB in a weaker class. And no, two firsts in 2025 does not guarantee you can move up to #1.

It only stands to reason that you would have to sacrifice as much capital in 2025 as you stand to gain in 2024 to trade down. It is a net-zero gain proposition, coupled with two more years of mediocracy, and being forced to now select from a weaker QB pool in 2025.

Smart teams that need a QB keep the number one pick, and do what?
They pick a QB.

 

[Xplosive]

As I said, you would end up giving up any draft capital you gained by having to trade up in 2025, and in your case, your not even getting the top QB in 2025, you would be getting the 2nd or 3rd best QB in a weaker class. And no, two firsts in 2025 does not guarantee you can move up to #1.

Smart teams that need a QB keep the number one pick, and do what?
They pick a QB.

Your assumption is that he will need to trade up in 2025. He very well could take a QB in a later round, or wait for a free agent QB to become available like this years Kirk and Baker

 

[nc0gnet0]

Your assumption is that he will need to trade up in 2025. He very well could take a QB in a later round, or wait for a free agent QB to become available like this years Kirk and Baker

LOL, is Kirk or Baker what you want? Neither comes with a rookie contract, and both have limited upside.

 

[WestsideResider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1765077574903034060

 

[Xplosive]

LOL, is Kirk or Baker what you want? Neither comes with a rookie contract, and both have limited upside.

I'd rather have a team built to win over praying for the next Mahomes to come along.

FYI: WR1 + Elite LT rookie contract > QB rookie contract

 

[roadwarrior_joe]

The problem is that people have forgotten how to think critically. Any sort of outside the box or critical thinking is treated like conspiracy theory which speaks to how our country has literally become the movie Idiocracy.

The shit that's going on right now is leverage 101 and is the most basic of Leverage Ploys, and even more so, while not done with the first overall pick necessarily, is something that has been seen every year or just about in the NFL draft with teams with high picks who want to trade down and maximize the value. There's a reason they call it lying season.

So while you guys are here talking like I'm crazy and talking out of my ass, all I did was historically look at how teams treated their draft picks in past drafts when they wanted to trade down and what they did in order to maximize that Leverage, which usually meant using and abusing completely a media who is just in it for the clicks anyway.
I still don't know if I'm 100% right but my gut feeling is telling me this is going to end up with us trading the first overall pick.

So what you are saying is, you don't know either, you are guessing like everyone else, and no matter what happens you can either say you were right if they trade the pick, or if they don't then well I wasn't 100% sure. Fence sitting much?

Take it to the bank, first pick, CW, owner, Chicago Bears.

 

[nc0gnet0]

I'd rather have a team built to win over praying for the next Mahomes to come along.

Newsflash spanky, building a team to win STARTS with the QB.