Justin Fields “BOMBSHELL” News!!!

[Xplosive]

Newsflash spanky, building a team to win STARTS with the QB.

Nope. That's where you are wrong. It begins with being able to protect the QB and attack the opposing QB.... Spanky

 

[nc0gnet0]

Nope. That's where you are wrong. It begins with being able to protect the QB and attack the opposing QB.... Spanky

JF isn't the one my friend, deal with it.
Why do you think there is no decent trade market for JF?
Why do you think other teams are willing to give up the "HAUL" to move to #1?
By your logic they should stay put and build a team around an inferior QB.

 

[Xplosive]

JF isn't the one my friend, deal with it.
Why do you think there is no decent trade market for JF?
Why do you think other teams are willing to give up the "HAUL" to move to #1?
By your logic they should stay put and build a team around an inferior QB.

Your opinion is your opinion on whether Fields is the one. It's been pretty well publicized/promoted by the media, that the Bears want Caleb so why would any team offer a fair trade? The draft is loaded with good QB prospects as well this year so again the market is flooded so the Bears either sell low or wait.

As for #1 there's plenty of time for that to play out and they can't get maximum value until the draft begins anyway.

 

[Myk]

As I said, you would end up giving up any draft capital you gained by having to trade up in 2025, and in your case, your not even getting the top QB in 2025, you would be getting the 2nd or 3rd best QB in a weaker class. And no, two firsts in 2025 does not guarantee you can move up to #1.

It only stands to reason that you would have to sacrifice as much capital in 2025 as you stand to gain in 2024 to trade down. It is a net-zero gain proposition, coupled with two more years of mediocracy, and being forced to now select from a weaker QB pool in 2025.

Smart teams that need a QB keep the number one pick, and do what?
They pick a QB.

OK let's say for some reason we're moving on from Fields in '25 even though he finished better than the #9 this year and you have to turn over both of the 1sts and the same amount you got (which you won't because 2 1sts is a lot more than most teams can offer).
You already built the offense and you've been building the defense. At that point paying a haul for a QB won't matter because it's the final piece of the puzzle and you made that '25 QB more likely to work out by building the offense in '24.

What are you planning on doing with those picks if you don't want to spend them? Why are you OK with spending a #1 worth a haul on 1 QB but not a haul to get a #1 QB? It's not adding up and that usually means someone isn't being honest.

Don't feed me that shit about worse draft class. That just tells me you're enamored with the hype about a player in the '24 draft class. Just be honest and say you see Williams or whoever as a can't pass up player. I could understand that, I fully expect that to be what happens.
If that's your stance tell me how you plan to get an offense for that QB in '24 season before he sees the field.

I think it could be done but I'm not seeing any fan who wants a QB now willing to do it and really don't expect the Bears to do it for the first time in 40 years.

 

[PhilEBuster]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1764950096452452740

@BaBaBlacksheep should probably do the right thing and suspend himself for this thread . . .

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

We're not talking about all that. Funny you talk about critical thinking but then refuse to.

He either wants Fields or he wants a QB with #1. Keeping that a secret does not help the value of either.
There is no rational reason for a smokescreen with either situation.

Nobody is trading Fields and the #1 to get a different QB later.
If KC or GB had the #1 when they got Mahomes or Rodgers they either would've got different QBs with #1 or they would've got those QBs with #1. Nobody is playing games with the #1 when they want a QB.
Not only would that be too big of a risk it would piss off the QB you took at #26 if you had the #1 and traded back so you could save a few dollars on their rookie contract.

I am out of this I don't care what QB we have between them. I only say no thanks to the other ones but Maye is close enough to Williams I could warm up to that.
You obviously are sold on Fields being able to do it after 3 years of nothing to help him learn. I'm not.
The closest I can come to that is to say get the haul for #1, get an offense and then if Fields still can't do it get a QB in '25-'26 with that offense in place. And a lot of that is because I don't trust the Bears to get a QB and fill in the offense later.




See above. You still take that QB #1 because anyone you trade #1 to is going there for a QB.

You say I don't want to think critically on my end, but then refuse to consider even the POSSIBILITY that the choice for QB may not be an A-B proposition between Fields and WIlliams...

I don't think you understand how critical thinking works - you consider ALL possibilities.

 

[KittiesKorner]

Oh is @Mighty Joe Young trying to call everyone else stupid again?

Physician, heal thyself

 

[KittiesKorner]

The same diva who just learned the term ‘critical thinking’ spent months inventing a caleb cult to rail against.

How fun!

 

[KittiesKorner]

Let’s do a little symposium on critical thinking and go forbid hegelian dialectic…

Thesis: @Mighty Joe Young attacks anyone who is okay with letting go of Justin Fields as members of a cult

Antithesis: @Mighty Joe Young realizes that justin fields may in fact be traded

Synthesis: @Mighty Joe Young tells everyone that they are stupid for not considering both possibilities and making up some bullshit about allowing one’s opinions to change (nobody ever disputed that but also weren’t warned by mods to stop starting multiple threads attacking others in support of her thesis).

What a *****

 

[DefNextYear]

Anyone who keeps a QB that no one wants to trade for, make him your starter while trading out of 1 overall for the best QB prospect of the last 5 years should be fired immediately.

Maybe the whole NFL is in an elaborate smokescreen to get the Bears to believe Fields isn’t good by saying they don’t want him to have Poles feel obligated to give him away for pennies on the dollar and then take a bust at No. 1 who just wants to own the whole franchise and get out of his rookie contract? Ever thought of that?

 

[Myk]

You say I don't want to think critically on my end, but then refuse to consider even the POSSIBILITY that the choice for QB may not be an A-B proposition between Fields and WIlliams...

I don't think you understand how critical thinking works - you consider ALL possibilities.

Where did I say that? Critical thinking also requires actually looking at what's in front of you. You do not.
"He either wants Fields or he wants a QB with #1"

If Poles wants any of the top ranked QBs it's with the #1. If Poles thinks he's going to trade #1 to #3 and get Mayes because he doesn't want Williams he's an idiot and just may end up trading #1 to a team that also wants Mayes over Williams. That's why nobody is so stupid to mess around trading the #1 when they want a QB. If you want a QB and have the #1 the QB you want is worth the #1 or you wouldn't want him. It doesn't matter who that QB is.

If you think Poles is going to trade the #1 and get a #56 QB you are a fool and trying to set up a situation to keep Fields because you want them to keep Fields.
None of that is critical thinking. Stop using that term if you refuse to do it.

 

[bearsforever]

Master smokescreen by Poles.

If he is indeed planning to trade the #1 pick, you don't give that info now. Yes, you will have teams trying to bid on that #1. However, you also give them a lot of time to think on what they are willing to give up. If you make it public right before, it creates a frenzy and teams don't have time to think and decide against it. It's human nature that if you are presented with something that you want real bad, but you have to make the decision right now, more times than not, people give in to the knee jerk reaction and do it no matter the cost. It's when you have the time to step back and analyze it that your emotions come out of the equation and your rational and calculating mind takes over. Keep the emotions in it...along with a short time limit, and that is when people are willing to give up more in order to get what they want. A good example of this is what Kevin Costner did to Jacksonville in Draft Day.

I don't know if he is planning to trade it or not. Frankly, I don't give a crap. He's going to do what he wants to do and none of us know what that is nor can we control it. Just giving a possible reason why he may be playing it this why IF he decides to trade it away.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

"He either wants Fields or he wants a QB with #1"

I say again - who decided that?


Everything you have on that is coming from the same media sources who have been gassing up the fans and yet didn't even see the Ryan Bates trade coming.

Just because you refuse to acknowledge it doesn't means Poles hasn't considered the possibility of trading the #1 overall pick for a haul, and then using one of those picks (which would NOT be at #1 now that it has been traded), on a quarterback. That's a possibility. We can debate the likelyhood of that possibility, sure.

BUT - critical thinking means you leave your mind open for the possibility - meanwhile, you lecture me on critical thinking to win an internet pissing contest while closing your own mind on a third option while attempting to shove a close-minded 2 option scenario down my throat; literally the antithesis of critical thinking dude....

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Imagine thinking you need to drive up the value for the #1 pick. There is no need for that, ITS THE NUMBER 1 PICK

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Anyways, as for the topic. The guy deleted his tweet because it was obvious bullshit already debunked by Justin himself

 

[hebs]

JF isn't the one my friend, deal with it.
Why do you think there is no decent trade market for JF?
Why do you think other teams are willing to give up the "HAUL" to move to #1?
By your logic they should stay put and build a team around an inferior QB.

(not necessarily directed at you)

I remember a lot of talk about Aaron Rodgers last year on how there wasn't the trade market everyone thought there would be because he hadn't been moved when everyone expected him to be... It's fun to speculate, but nobody really has a clue what is really going on with the Fields trade market. I have no doubt there will be a 50 page thread to discuss the trade AFTER it happens and the compensation. (If it happens)

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I say again - who decided that?


Everything you have on that is coming from the same media sources who have been gassing up the fans and yet didn't even see the Ryan Bates trade coming.

Just because you refuse to acknowledge it doesn't means Poles hasn't considered the possibility of trading the #1 overall pick for a haul, and then using one of those picks (which would NOT be at #1 now that it has been traded), on a quarterback. That's a possibility. We can debate the likelyhood of that possibility, sure.

BUT - critical thinking means you leave your mind open for the possibility - meanwhile, you lecture me on critical thinking to win an internet pissing contest while closing your own mind on a third option while attempting to shove a close-minded 2 option scenario down my throat; literally the antithesis of critical thinking dude....

3am lol

 

[Bearly]

He would still be an equal sized idiot for wasting years 2 and 3 for that same QB and not getting oline and WRs because he wanted to stockpile DBs.
Had he removed all doubt he could get another haul for #1.

This is the fun part, we can play 20/20 hindsight on the players he could've got vs the players he did get and how they all worked out.
The DBs he got didn't do much without pass rush. The defense he focused on not only didn't have much to defend they didn't do much to defend it when they did.

If it turns out that Fields is great Poles is just an idiot no matter how Williams turns out.

When you're staring over (rebuild) you don't force positional picks when everything is a hole and it's also really difficult to get Ts and difference making WRs without 1st round picks. You take what you think is BPA at a need. Poles has been here 2 years with a team that needed a rebuild. He walked into cap issues and no 1st round pick. Way too early to dump on the guy even if he's made a few of mistakes trying to set out from between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Bearly]

Your opinion is your opinion on whether Fields is the one. It's been pretty well publicized/promoted by the media, that the Bears want Caleb so why would any team offer a fair trade? The draft is loaded with good QB prospects as well this year so again the market is flooded so the Bears either sell low or wait.

As for #1 there's plenty of time for that to play out and they can't get maximum value until the draft begins anyway.

LOL, that's every player being traded. Lots of tail wagging the dog logic when it come to JF.

 

[PhilEBuster]

3am lol

Now that's rent free . . .