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It still helps to watch and see how Andy adjusts to similar sets/plays as they can run with Fields.
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Again, I have seen him design a play with 3 WR converging to a single meshpoint... repeatedly, I have seen him call a hb dive for the smallest RB in the NFL...repeatedly, I have seen him call a bubble screen to the short side of the field...repeatedly. These are horrible plays that just don't work. I provided a graph illustrating that the Bears are the league worst in separation by target.
Yet you claim he is fine play designer. Based on what? Sean Payton stealing one play?
You want to claim he is a good play designer, but asked to demonstrate what makes you say that, you just throw out a
"trust me" he is great, he just has a problem calling plays or blame all his QB's even the ones he chose.
In the end who gives a rats ass the source of his failureas an offensive HC, he sucks at his area of "expertise" always has, and unfortunately likely always will.
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Yeah, but how a defense plays JF is going to be vastly different than how they defend AD. I think the biggest value is him seeing and understanding what he will be facing with this as his OL. Beyond that watching how teams defend Kyler Murray or Lamar Jackson will be much more useful and how they defend JF.
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I mean, just watch the games. There are plenty of one-on-ones being created where the QB just has to be accurate and completely whiffs. You pick a couple bad plays and are doing the same "trust me" nonsense. You claimed earlier how KC and Buff had great offensive schemes, but when pointed out the Bears best players have the same or superior separation as their guys, an argument you brought up btw, you move on to something else. You keep bringing up Payton, but if I pointed out that Michael Thomas only had 2.5 yards per separation, you'd hem and haw about it. Mooney led the league last year in missed air yards. Something like 1/3 of his targets were completely uncatchable. Trubisky had an 18% deep completion rate last season. You just can't run an effective offense like that. Nagy is absolutely atrocious as a play caller, that we agree on, but the plays themselves aren't all terrible.
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Comes from waiting to long to throw to the wrong target.
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You are taking 2 snaps from a 60 snap game and saying if the QB simply completed his throws on those 2 snaps everything else would fall into place and thats just not accurate .
The Bears offense biggest problem is the constant calling of plays that take 5 seconds to develop when the QB really on has 3 seconds before the ball has to come out because of the Oline . A receiver will take at least 4 seconds to go 40 yards so we can see the problem this creates for an offense thats wants to take deep shots.
As for the separation issue thats been thrown out there the Bears are trying to manufacture separation by adding speed to the equation . They figure they can get more guys open underneath as teams will back off the speedsters .
Nagy is by far the biggest problem with his own offense and by far what the qb sees on the field and what Nagy sees on the field does not often time matchup and thats the problem .
We will see how long Dalton goes before mentioning tempo as Mitch mentioned it years ago and Foles mentioned it very publicly right after he got here . Nagy trusts his call sheet more than he does his players and thats always been the elephant in the room .
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What are you talking about I cited the, far from perfect, but single quantifiable metric that has any relation to created mismatches, team yards of separation. The Bears are the worst team in the NFL, not kinda bad, worst. We can get argue QB's and individual players all day long but the fact is as a team no one was worse. Hell, if I conceded that Nagy was a great playdesigner that would mean he is just that much worse of a play caller, personnel utilizer, and game manager.
Who cares, he sucks
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The teams with the most explosive offenses have plenty of plays that take five seconds to develop and see their fair share of negative plays. Difference is their qbs were able to take advantage of the chunk plays that are created for them.
The rest has nothing to do with play design as we all agree that Nagy sucks at calling a game.
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You care, otherwise you wouldn't have commented anyway, because I am saying exactly what you ended with. He's a pretty good play designer but absolutely sucks in game. In fact, that was my original post that you seemed to take offense to because you keep thinking correlation=causation. You've been acting like I put him on the same level as shanahan or reid.
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Did he become a back surgeon?
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He could if he wanted.
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this is accurate. I like that fellow.
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But this is just like Smith/Mahomes in 2017!!!!!!!!!
Fucking Nagy is so stupid.
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That the lad who did the breakdown is trying to cash in on the raging fucking hardon that Bears fans have over the saviour?
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Kollman is national guy but my fucking hardon is real and unrelenting.
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Exactly which will be why he did a breakdown without so much as a preseason snap, shooting fish in a barrel mate
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To say that Fields has the tools to run this O more properly than what came before in long winded way is neither objectional nor sensational. Duh comes to mind. Just a meh.
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someone gets it!
I don't know if that touchdown the kid threw was the greatest ever, but I haven't had so much confidence in a BEARS quarterback being able to do so much wicked shit.
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As it validates people’s hopes and dreams there’s a good market for it
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The Horsted one against the Titans?
That 1st half was a fucking microcosm of the situation! The first 28 minutes suggested the offense will be what it’ll be overall even with Fields then he pulls that play out the bag that we’ve never seen from a Bears QB
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bamainatlantaYou wake him up, you keep him up