Kingsbury a top candidate?

[ijustposthere]

Brown is a McVay guy. Poles convinced him to come here not Waldron.

Is there much difference in the resumes of Coen, Robinson, or Brown?

He and Ben Johnson are both 38. Apparently, Ben doesn’t really command a room.

That would not be ideal.

My point is, I’m not throwing out Brown because he’s been associated with Waldron.

I’m curious what the next 5 games show us. I have a completely open mind.

Yeah, that Ben Johnson thing makes me nervous.

As for Brown, obviously it depends what they do the last 5 games, but I just want everyone gone tbh. And I have a seriously high bar for Brown. Looking competitive isn't gonna be enough because they've already done that. They need to stop snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. What I like about Brown is the respect he seems to command from the players.

 

[dabears70]

Another reason that I hope we just got lucky with Brown. Worst thing that could happen is that Brown rallies the troops, they still don't win much due to this schedule/thin staff and they dump him. That would be so Bears.

I'd hate to see him go, or not get the HC gig, but if he can't get any wins then it really isn't a good look with this roster even with the tough schedule. If he can get 2 wins against this schedule that would be huge for him.

 

[remydat]

I'm actually hopin Brown pulls this off and we don't need to go through the HC search stuff this time. Unlikely as this deck is really stacked against him. He just lost his actual DC and his OC is nobody.

In typical Bears fashion, on their web page, Thomas Brown is listed as Interim Head Coach. As opposed to what? Real head coach? Permanent Head Coach? Nice way to tell a guy he's just a placeholder. This org just doesn't get it.

You still have to interview after the season to satisfy Rooney rule. Brown would obviously qualify as one interview bit they would need another one as rule is at least 2 minorities now I believe.

 

[ijustposthere]

You still have to interview after the season to satisfy Rooney rule. Brown would obviously qualify as one interview bit they would need another one as rule is at least 2 minorities now I believe.

The interim term doesn't count towards satisfying the Rooney rule? Isn't this technically interviewing for the job?

 

[ijustposthere]

I'm really rooting for TB to take the permanent role as well but a little worried if he'll be able to attract the bigger/better names for OC/DC and the rest of the staff. I really like him though and think i still have Vrabel as HC and TB as OC as my top option right now. I just don't want to lose TB no matter what direction we go at HC.

I don't mind Vrabel, but I want Ben Johnson, or Daboll if he becomes available. And if the Bears look impressive, I can be swayed on Brown. I know there's a few more that I can't think of right now, but Kliff isn't on that list. Regardless, what I want the most is an offensive HC paired with Saleh.

 

[remydat]

The interim term doesn't count towards satisfying the Rooney rule? Isn't this technically interviewing for the job?

Rooney rule doesn't apply to interim hired in season. But after the season you have to comply. So I am saying Brown would be 1 interview to satisfy the rule assuming they interview him and so they would need 1 more.

The only exception is if you have a succession plan filed with the league Pats didn't need to comply with Rooney rule when they hired Mayo because Pats had named Mayo as BB's successor in an official plan filed with the league.

 

[remydat]

As for Kingsbury, my thoughts earlier on the season.

If their offense doesnt collapse like it did in the 2nd halves when he was in Zona then Kingsbury should probably be a leading contender given Caleb is already familiar with him.

Commanders O does seem to be fading a bit so I have cooled on Kingsbury at the moment.

 

[greg23]

Just reported by Rapaport on NFLN gameday. I honestly hope not. Kingsbury has a habit of fading in the second half of seasons and he doesn't move around his best WR to create advantageous situations. What's everyone's thoughts?

F No

Look up his college and pro record in weeks 1-7 vs week 8 and beyond

He's Fluberbusesque after week 8

 

[ijustposthere]

Rooney rule doesn't apply to interim hired in season. But after the season you have to comply. So I am saying Brown would be 1 interview to satisfy the rule assuming they interview him and so they would need 1 more.

The only exception is if you have a succession plan filed with the league Pats didn't need to comply with Rooney rule when they hired Mayo because Pats had named Mayo as BB's successor in an official plan filed with the league.

They'd be dumb not to interview Brown.

Doesn't Mayo himself fit the Rooney rule regardless? Or are you just using the process as a recent example?

Anyway, I think the Rooney rule is dumb. Not that I don't understand the need for it, but most of the time it's patronizing AF.

 

[remydat]

They'd be dumb not to interview Brown.

Doesn't Mayo himself fit the Rooney rule regardless? Or are you just using the process as a recent example?

Anyway, I think the Rooney rule is dumb. Not that I don't understand the need for it, but most of the time it's patronizing AF.

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You have to interview 2 external candidates now not just 1. So I misspoke. Interviewing Brown or Mayo doesn't count as 1 as not external.

As an aside, I mentioned in another thread that I believe this is the first time a team has has all minorities for Pres, GM, HC, OC, DC, ST and QB coach.

 

[Moses Moreno]

I don't mind Vrabel, but I want Ben Johnson, or Daboll if he becomes available. And if the Bears look impressive, I can be swayed on Brown. I know there's a few more that I can't think of right now, but Kliff isn't on that list. Regardless, what I want the most is an offensive HC paired with Saleh.

Daboll is 100% available and will be an OC next year.

Vrabel + Daboll + Saleh would be my ideal.

 

[modo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1863254392062808199

FML

 

[Rise]

I think this “command the room” thing is getting a little overblown. Sure you want that but if you are not an idiot coach and you start winning you will “command the room”. If Dan Campbell was 1-11 his passionate speeches would look idiotic.

Does Shannahan command a room or does he simply have the buy in from the players that he will put them in a place to win? What about Lafluer? Etc.

If they get Ben Johnson and a high profile DC who constantly set a clear direction and give the players a path to winning the room will fall in line.

Just something to think about.

 

[ijustposthere]

Daboll is 100% available and will be an OC next year.

Vrabel + Daboll + Saleh would be my ideal.

I don't know if a defensive HC would hire a guy like Saleh. Regardless, Vrabel with Daboll would be a nice combo too, but I want the offensive HC so that if the offense is performing and the OC gets poached, it's not a big deal.

 

[ijustposthere]

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If they hire Freeman, I'm done watching tbh. They have a chance to correct a **** up that they missed last year, and there will probably still be good candidates available. They just have to not be the Bears.

 

[ijustposthere]

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You have to interview 2 external candidates now not just 1. So I misspoke. Interviewing Brown or Mayo doesn't count as 1 as not external.

As an aside, I mentioned in another thread that I believe this is the first time a team has has all minorities for Pres, GM, HC, OC, DC, ST and QB coach.

That is so f'n dumb. Brown doesn't count because he's internal? He literally might get the job but somehow that wouldn't satisfy the Rooney rule? Nonsense.

 

[dabears70]

I don't mind Vrabel, but I want Ben Johnson, or Daboll if he becomes available. And if the Bears look impressive, I can be swayed on Brown. I know there's a few more that I can't think of right now, but Kliff isn't on that list. Regardless, what I want the most is an offensive HC paired with Saleh.

I'd be just fine if they hired Ben Johnson but there's so much unknown with him that i would also be worried until he showed he can be a legit HC in the NFL. I mean i understand that there's going to be unknown with pretty much anyone we hire at HC and you just have to take your shot and hope it works out for the team but with Johnson there's a lot we don't know. The offense he's been given in Detroit is legit so how much is him and how much is you could have put multiple guys in that OC spot and they would have them rolling.

 

[dabears70]

As for Kingsbury, my thoughts earlier on the season.



Commanders O does seem to be fading a bit so I have cooled on Kingsbury at the moment.

Could just be Jaden hitting the rookie wall which isn't all on Kliff. They don't have a great OL or many great weapons of offense either. Kliff is doing a good job but is he another guy that's just simply better as a coordinator then he is as a HC is the question we don't know.

 

[ijustposthere]

Could just be Jaden hitting the rookie wall which isn't all on Kliff. They don't have a great OL or many great weapons of offense either. Kliff is doing a good job but is he another guy that's just simply better as a coordinator then he is as a HC is the question we don't know.

There is a pattern of Kliff doing this though.

Joe Brady just got announced by The Insiders on NFL Morning show. Brown also mentioned as well as Johnson. I think this may just be stating the obvious, but worth mentioning.

 

[Bearly]

It’s common practice to refer to a guy that takes over the helm mid-season as an interim head coach.

This is not a Bears specific designation.

On team pages? if so, I still think it's ticky tac.