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The irony is that if we had lost Kirk Hinrich to DET and kept Ben Gordon on the team for $8M/year for 4 years then the BG-lovers in this forum would be Hinrich-lovers instead and hate BG.
The irony is that if we had lost Kirk Hinrich to DET and kept Ben Gordon on the team for $8M/year for 4 years then the BG-lovers in this forum would be Hinrich-lovers instead and hate BG.
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He certainly serves a purpose. Just not one that is a pressing need. We need offense and both Watson and JL# are superior to him at putting the ball in the basket. Kirk would make a nice combo guard off the bench, not starter. We will see just how much he has deteriorated and regressed when the season starts but who exactly in our offense will create shots? By December 1st, we will be cursing his name.
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If you are cursing his name, you are either 10 years old or he owes you money...because you should know what Hinrich is by now. He can run an offense...its not his fault that there are no players that can get a shot off...and those two guys definitely got their shots off...to a combined field goal percentage of what...38%?
And again...you don't know what you have in Butler and Teague...guys who were first round picks for the Bulls this past season. This is the perfect time to see what these guys are going to do.
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I actually highly doubt that. Getting a 20ppg scorer and 40%+ 3pt shooter for $8M a year? That's a dang good deal, even if that guy doesn't play much defense and is short. :dunno:
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People are cursing his name already...still cursing it from 2010. :tiptoe:
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Last time Kirk ran a offense in 07-08 we ended up missing the playoffs, landing the #1 draft pick and had the one of the worst offenses in the league. Since then, he played off Rose, which didn't work well since he couldn't shoot and played off Joe Johnson, which again didn't work because his defense deteriorated, he lost quickness and his shoot sucked.
Are you trying to tell me that Teague and Butler are starters in this league? Because at this point, that will be their role with no Watson, JL3, Korver, Brewer, traded Rip and injured Rose and Deng. Keeping Watson, Brewer and Korver would have allowed them to have appropriate bench roles.
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I don't think Joe Dumars would agree with you...using hindsight of course...
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Are you trying to tell me Watson and JL3 are starters in this league? Are you trying to tell me Korver and Brewer would play starting, vital roles on an elite NBA team? I don't think so.
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Hou, did you happen to hit your head on something and suffer massive brain trauma? I think the last two years speak for themselves. Ridding our selves of Kirk Hinrich's rotting NBA corpse and bringing in a better creator in Watson, a better defender in Brewer and an elite shooter in Korver bringing in depth and their skills were one of the main reasons we ascended to an elite NBA team. Even without Rose, they were able to maintain our first place ranking. Those 3 proved to be key pieces on a contender.
Kirk's glue, fiestyness, pale skin, coach's son persona doesn't translate to the win coloum. I think it will be even more obvious when we are looking at one of the bottom seeds in the eastern conference.
Meanwhile, you could have kept the group that earned that right together. And if the right deal came along at the deadline with Rose back and healthy, you would have the expiring contracts of Brewer, Watson, Korver and Hamilton making up nearly a max contract to make something happen for a star.
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Ok man, you are getting sappy on me...they earned that right together so they should stay together...so we can trade them later...yep, sounds like loyalty to the max right there...
I think it would be best to let things crystallize. But if those players were SO DAMN IMPORTANT, why is it that nobody is running to pick them up? Watson took a minimum contract...because that is all that was offered, and holding out doesn't sound as appetizing when it increases the possibility of playing basketball in a Turkish high school gym for a team whose name he can't pronounce for 250k a year. What about Brewer? What is he up to? Been on any trips to talk to teams lately?
Yep, they were key components for a contender. So much of a key that they barely mattered when it counted. I'll pass.
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Well Joe Dumars signed him for like $11-12M to a roster where he didn't totally fit and got erratic playing time. His numbers his 2nd and 3rd year in Detroit aren't too far off from his Chicago numbers except for points and he's averaging about 10 minutes less per game. Of course...he got paid to get those points, not the other stuff, so...
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Hou, they were key parts of the team. If you aren't going to keep them, you might as well use them as an asset, not just piss it all away for nothing. You could have used each to aquire a pick. You could keep them for the deadline. They earned the chance to comeback this year even if you weren't going to keep them long term.
Lets let things shitize because crystals are so much nicer than the well below .500 team Craptin Kirk will lead us too. Its the same thing he lead us too the last year before Rose got here. Only he is worse and it will be much worse till rose gets back.
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Brewer is a good defender but can't shoot to save his life and Watson played horrible in the playoffs so I won't be missing them. Korver is 50/50 for me when he is hot from the 3 point line he is hot but when he is cold he is cold.
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Now I see the irony in your return to this forum...Hinrich isn't that important!!!!! I don't understand what the hell the issue is. They brought Hinrich back because of his versatility. Versatility none of those players that were let go, have. He is here to be a bench guy.
What you have to do is let the bitterness go...its a bit...much. Its been 3 years for pete's sake. Hinrich isn't leading this team anywhere. And if he leads them to a sucky record...guess what? GOOD! That means the team was shitty to begin with. All of a sudden Hinrich is some terminable cancer to a good team? I don't think so.
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Hou, I would have no problem with Kirk if he is a bench guy that plays 15-20mpg. But that will never happen. Exiling Rip will lead to Kirk as our starting SG. I think we both can agree, that is not a good thing.
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Kirk will not be our starting shooting guard.
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think about a lineup of
Teague
Hinrich
Butler
Boozer
Noah
that would be so difficult to watch
Teague
Hinrich
Butler
Boozer
Noah
that would be so difficult to watch
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But they were right. Ben Gordon was our starting shooting guard. :shrug: