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I bet he has done the most surgeries lol
I bet he has done the most surgeries lol
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I dont think you can even compare him to that. There have been many intelligent pitchers, but no one can touch Maddux. I dont like comparing players like that. It goes to far.
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I don't doubt it. That makes him an expert on the surgery and worth the listen as to what may be the cause.
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But not far enough for two 'o's? Just kidding...kind of.
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You can actually look up what he says, a lot of it makes a ton of sense.
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I've looked up more than just Andrews and Fleisig. Pitch count is a OSFA answer. There are other factors involved.
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Perhaps I misread to say because he had longevity, he's thought of as great.
I remember standing with a friend, also a Cub fan, watching Maddux pitch for the Braves, as we both muttered "best pitcher the Cubs have had and they let him go".
Yes, his consistency and reliability were outstanding. But I am not sure what the whole strikeout per inning discussion is about. Strikeouts are not the best indicator of success. As Maddux himself once noted, striking a lot of people out requires a lot more pitches.
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The comparison can be that Hendricks falls short of Maddux in pretty much every way, even if they have some similarities mentally... making a comparison isn't the same as equating them/putting them on the same level.
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Then don't take part in the convo then. :dunno: I can't believe some of you guys are still going on about Maddux. Suttcliff said he reminded him of a young Maddux, when Maddux first came up, AND PLAYED WITH SUTT.
I ran with the comparison a little, you know, having FUN, with the W, the 1 BB, and the 2 hits. This is as ridiculous as getting bent out of shape for someone saying, after seeing someone you don't know in public and saying, "that person looks like my best friend".
What would YOU say? "No he doesn't, that's ridiculous, no one else can be your BEST friend, that's so stupid, you must be a Cubs fan?"
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Couple of things, Suttcliff is a complete Cubs homer. He has never said a bad word about any Cubs player. Also, the comparison is to much because people will take it far. You want to say Hendricks is a smart pitcher that studies and uses control to be effective, perfectly fine. Comparing him to a guy who is considered one of the smartest players to ever play? Not to smart. Also, people made the same comparisons to Randy Wells. It was dumb at the time and really dumb where you look where he is now. Let the kids play and stop comparing them. They are individuals. They have enough pressure with the over emotional fan base that is Chicago. They dont need added pressure by people throwing out random comparisons.
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Dude, the only one going on and on about it is you. Hendricks has already laughed off the comparisons himself. The kid just pitched his 4th game!
He wears his socks like Vida Blue, tucks in his shirt like Catfish Hunter, and licks his fingers like Sparky Lyle. WTF is your problem? Shouldn't you be reading about Cooks or something? Instead, you want to go on about Greg Maddux? :dunno:
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Well, I see you cant have a discussion without freaking out. Good day.
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Well, when you keep going on and on about Maddux...yeah. I was the one who mentioned Maddux, so you would think your comments were directed at me. Yet, you seemed to be the only one really taking it too seriously. Now I'm the one that can't have a discussion? I/we tried to explain that no one was really expecting him to be the next Maddux. Yet you keep talking about it. Go figure.
Oh, and you remind me of one of my old GF's, she always took things too far!
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Meanwhile, I'll continue to be excited about the young prospect, assuming he keeps doing well.
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On and on. I gave two or three post about how it is a ridiculous comparison. You remind me of an old GF who goes on and on how she isnt wrong when she is. So, instead of ending the discussion, they keep trying to act like they are right.
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Congrats. No one said different and I liked Hendricks before half of yall knew who he was. I am not knocking him at all and always believed he would be a solid 5 in a rotation. My point is over emotional Cubs fans do this to so many players that it gets ridiculous. Cubs fans compared Randy Wells to Greg Maddux. Felix Pie to Carlos Beltran and o so many more. My suggestion is watch and enjoy them and stop putting labels on them.
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I wouldn't just catagorize cubs fans who compare their young players to vets. .. all teams fans do it and even former players and sports personal on ESPN MLB Network ETC ETC do the same thing..
Its just something you do in all sports, its a fun sports conversation..
You see a young player with talent or not and you talk about who they remind you of in the past bad or good.
Like Olt could be like Kingman and hit monster HRs but strikeout 200 times...
yea some go too far with it at times , but mostly its just a fun sports conversation. .
Some go too far as to take a simple quote of hey this kid reminds me of how maddux approached games when he first came up as to them saying hey this kid has HOF potential cause his approach is like Maddux..
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Hey Pal, I'm just tired of fuckin people like you calling me over emotional, unintelligent, and any other shit that spews from your mouth. I'm sure I played the game better than you ever dreamed about playin it. **** You! Who the **** are you to call me over emotional!
Go lecture your fuckin kids or something, but as long as pricks like you keep labeling people like me cuz I like the Cubs, I'm gonna get in your face.
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John Arguello of Cubs Den just posted an article on the Hendricks-Maddux comparison...
"But let's get one thing out of the way first. I think it is fair for someone to say that Hendricks' command and cerebral approach on the mound reminds them of Maddux.
Why wouldn't it?
Where we draw the line is that it necessarily means they are also similar elsewhere in terms of things like stuff and athleticism. They are not.
I also draw the line when people overreact and say, "How dare you compare the two!" I think those people need to chill out. Someone can say Hendrick's cerebral approach and fine command reminds them of Maddux and it doesn't necessarily mean they think he will one day be anywhere near as good. Those are two different things."
http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/...ebate-why-both-sides-have-it-right-and-wrong/
"But let's get one thing out of the way first. I think it is fair for someone to say that Hendricks' command and cerebral approach on the mound reminds them of Maddux.
Why wouldn't it?
Where we draw the line is that it necessarily means they are also similar elsewhere in terms of things like stuff and athleticism. They are not.
I also draw the line when people overreact and say, "How dare you compare the two!" I think those people need to chill out. Someone can say Hendrick's cerebral approach and fine command reminds them of Maddux and it doesn't necessarily mean they think he will one day be anywhere near as good. Those are two different things."
http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/...ebate-why-both-sides-have-it-right-and-wrong/
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Lol... I think you're all right, Bear... but let's be honest, how is that bolded quote not you getting a little too worked up?
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