Lake found on Mars

[modo]

The funny this is....even if "we found it" there still would be people who wouldn't believe it. What would "finding" it entail? Bringing it back to Earth and putting it in a museum? Taking pictures? Having super geniuses we don't know tell us "Hey, we found it!" That could easily all be faked and you would have to imagine whatever they "found" would be super off limits to mostly anyone who could even begin to refute it. Some already think there's sizeable evidence that we have been contacted. How could we know we're not being visited now? Because they don't announce themselves or hold out banners? If they were that super intelligent, and could figure out a way to travel the cosmos, I think they could figure out how to go under the radar. It would be very much like humans sneaking into their bedroom and not getting the attention of the Iguana in the tank. Am I saying that's the case? No. But it's so hard to potentially prove something like that. For one, because if they're coming down and visiting but didn't want us to know about it, we wouldn't know. And second, if we were to find life out there in the universe, we would basically be taking the governments word on it...because the odds they bring back an alien species to Earth would be extremely small.

"find it" can mean alien life or how life is created.....and if we have proof of it whether certain people believe it or not is somewhat irrelevant.

Some people can choose to believe there is sizable evidence we have been contact, but the scientific community has yet to present it......that is a non-starter for most people.

 

[modo]

Entire known universe is a bit of a misnomer when the vast majority of matter in the universe is unknown since we can't detect it.

Not only is the chance we are alone mathematically small, I know of no other phenomena in the universe that occurs just once.

if we can measure the amount of potentially habitable planets in a certain area we can make a measurable guess, not of life but the potential area it could occupy.

Your knowledge of the Universe is fairly small. Because you haven't seen a singular event does not mean it doesn't exist and nothing in science says something can't happen only once. I already brought up quantum tunneling events that are technically possible but the odds of it happening are less than 1.

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

Earth is going to deport Canada to Mars if you don't behave.

I'll just slip across the border, and as an alien, I'd have to enslave merka.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

All this focus on Mars is meant as nothing but a distraction. Aliens have already been here and they ain't Martians.

 

[nc0gnet0]

All this focus on Mars is meant as nothing but a distraction. Aliens have already been here and they are Spartans.

fify

 

[remydat]

if we can measure the amount of potentially habitable planets in a certain area we can make a measurable guess, not of life but the potential area it could occupy.

Your knowledge of the Universe is fairly small. Because you haven't seen a singular event does not mean it doesn't exist and nothing in science says something can't happen only once. I already brought up quantum tunneling events that are technically possible but the odds of it happening are less than 1.

We just know finding water on Mars and they are the next planet over. The point is our ability to detect something pales in comparison to the scale of the haystack we are searching in.

And you are right. Nothing in science says something can't happen once. However math teaches us that any probability however small can in fact happen more than once if the scale of the haystack is large enough. The universe is massive.

Further your quantum tunneling example doesn't fit because we know the chances of life is not less than 1 because we exist. So the chance of life is not technically possible. It is absolutely real because I am posting on a message board.

 

[Bears_804]

If they have the ability to come here I doubt they would worry about hiding. We don’t hide from Apes we study in the wild... or ants for that matter. I’m not sure we want contact if they are smart enough to travel here... we assume because they are smart they are kind. For all we know we are just bright enough to be slave labor. Then again I don’t know shit... I just think they could be like the Necromongers as easily as ET.

There’s always a possibility of a hostile organism. A highly advanced one at that. If they’re not hostile, and have an understanding of where we are as an organism, they’d leave us alone for various reasons.

Starts another whole argument of past visits, etc, but that really starts a heated debate. I personally think we’ve been visited and interacted with in the distant past. Just my belief. Some, or most, think that’s insane, and that’s cool with me.

We not only don’t understand time, space, or matter at all, we don’t understand, nor can fathom, inter dimensional existence. What other life, minuscule or intelligent, really is could be really out there from what we think it is. We think it has to look like what we can only imagine, have the same make up we’ve decided is necessary for life, or realm of existence, and that’s probably not true at all in the grand scheme of things. Could be elements and everything else we don’t even have the imagination to come up with.

 

[remydat]

If they have the ability to come here I doubt they would worry about hiding. We don’t hide from Apes we study in the wild... or ants for that matter. I’m not sure we want contact if they are smart enough to travel here... we assume because they are smart they are kind. For all we know we are just bright enough to be slave labor. Then again I don’t know shit... I just think they could be like the Necromongers as easily as ET.

Well I think the amount of energy required to traverse the stars is likely to only be achieved if a civilization has united. And less likely if that unification was through aggression that their infrastructure would remain to allow for space travel.

So the thought process is that advanced space faring civilizations would tend to arise in societies that are more collaborative. Of course all speculation.

 

[modo]

We just know finding water on Mars and they are the next planet over. The point is our ability to detect something pales in comparison to the scale of the haystack we are searching in.

And you are right. Nothing in science says something can't happen once. However math teaches us that any probability however small can in fact happen more than once if the scale of the haystack is large enough. The universe is massive.

Further your quantum tunneling example doesn't fit because we know the chances of life is not less than 1 because we exist. So the chance of life is not technically possible. It is absolutely real because I am posting on a message board.

our existence does not say anything to the odds of life in the universe other than it can happen....and the quantum tunneling example can fit because our existence could have defied the odds of it happening....us simply being here says nothing about how common life is.......if we just assume life must not be overly rare because we exist, we are using an Earth bias.

no one was arguing life can't exist. Simply that our existence does not speak directly to the odds of it happening

 

[nc0gnet0]

our existence does not say anything to the odds of life in the universe other than it can happen....and the quantum tunneling example can fit because our existence could have defied the odds of it happening....us simply being here says nothing about how common life is.......if we just assume life must not be overly rare because we exist, we are using an Earth bias.

no one was arguing life can't exist. Simply that our existence does not speak directly to the odds of it happening

Again, if we find life elsewhere, and determine that it is not a result of life escaping Earth and contaminating another planet, that blows your theory out of the water.

 

[Bears_804]

Again, if we find life elsewhere, and determine that it is not a result of life escaping Earth and contaminating another planet, that blows your theory out of the water.

On the other hand there’s also theories that life on Earth itself is simple contamination from other planets/cosmic debris.

 

[xer0h0ur]

Earth is going to deport Canada to Mars if you don't behave.

:lmao:

 

[ijustposthere]

This thread has bounced back a bit, but still not as entertaining as guys taking "science time with Brett" seriously.

Brett time is usually the most entertaining time on this board.

 

[number51]

Brett time is usually the most entertaining time on this board.

+1 It was great, apparently there are still some guys here that are not familiar with Brett's take on science, so they were having a 100% serious conversation about the cosmos with a guy that thinks Earth is 6K years old. Priceless.

I'm not sure the moon was part of earth. That's not been proven AFAIK

Not proven, but it does explain why we have precession and why it is spinning away from us.

Besides the moon, we have found pieces of Mars on our planet and bacteria have been known to survive space travel.


Basically the theory is that a proto planet hit us and the debris formed the moon....that caused our tilt and part of the reason the moon spins away and also part due to tidal influences.

Tidal influences yes, moon moving away yes, but it formerly being part of us doesn't make sense. As the moon moves further away the tides become gradually smaller. Closer moon, more flooding of the earth, no life for the planet.

Flooding wouldn't necessarily prevent life. In some ways it can help it. It can help protect against radiation. From what is theorized the material was ejected to a certain level above the Earth and then coalesced into orbit. It doesn't mean that it was close enough to flood the Earth for half a day. It did cause shorter days and as the moon spins away the Earth slows down, but not at a noticeable enough rate in a short time frame. Life on Earth existed when the moon was much closer and the days were shorter.

Earth was mostly ocean in the past. Supposedly about 4.4 billion years ago.....the Earth then went through a heavy bombardment phase and based on fossil records, life emerged after that phase.

 

[ijustposthere]

Yeah, I read through the thread specifically for brett's take. Love watching him try to argue against science. It's pure entertainment.

 

[remydat]

our existence does not say anything to the odds of life in the universe other than it can happen....and the quantum tunneling example can fit because our existence could have defied the odds of it happening....us simply being here says nothing about how common life is.......if we just assume life must not be overly rare because we exist, we are using an Earth bias.

no one was arguing life can't exist. Simply that our existence does not speak directly to the odds of it happening

No your tunneling example referenced odds less than 1. Since we exist we know that life is not as rare as the examples you claim are only technically possible. Life isn't just technically possible. It is in fact an event we know happened already. If we did not exist then the chances of life would be much lower because 0 x infinity is still 0. Since we exist, we know the chances of life is not zero so the chances of other life increases exponentially.

All i said to you is that I know of no event that has happened that has only happened once. And that mathematically the size of the universe is such that the probability of it only happening once is small. Those are factual statements.

It is not my fault the universe is the size it is and that the math favors us not being alone. Once we accept we exist the odds are most certainly higher than others are out there.

 

[nc0gnet0]

No your tunneling example referenced odds less than 1. Since we exist we know that life is not as rare as the examples you claim are only technically possible. Life isn't just technically possible. It is in fact an event we know happened already.

All i said to you is that I know of no event that has happened that has only happened once. And that mathematically the size of the universe is such that the probability of it only happening once is small. Those are factual statements.

It is not my fault the universe is the size it is and that the math favors us not being alone.

Well, in all fairness, I think the Big Bang only happened once.

 

[remydat]

Well, in all fairness, I think the Big Bang only happened once.

There are theories that there will be a big crunch where the universe will contract back to a singularity and then start again with another big bang.

Not to mention in a multiverse there are most likely big bangs going on all the the time or universes being created from black holes.

https://www.google.bs/amp/s/www.out...no-big-bang-black-hole-created-universe-AMPED

 

[Mitchapalooza]

Space is so fucked, I love it.

 

[modo]

There are theories that there will be a big crunch where the universe will contract back to a singularity and then start again with another big bang.

Not to mention in a multiverse there are most likely big bangs going on all the the time or universes being created from black holes.

https://www.google.bs/amp/s/www.out...no-big-bang-black-hole-created-universe-AMPED

If true....still theories

Still not as wacky as us living in a 3d projection of reality taking place on a distant flat surface

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