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Running at small rush specialist DEs has been in the NFL forever. If you watch too closely you'll find issues with all of them. If he's a bit stronger with better recognition he may be able to disrupt it better. He took himself out of some plays and got washed out on others but it was to be expected his 1st year. Too early to judge.
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Thats Steve Spurriers offense, always has been lol!!!!! hahaha.
But yeah. And no KGB, I wasn't talking about you. I respect you and the way you disagree with people. The leader of the Alshon is terrible parade was also the leader of the Burflict is garbage party. I gave a little in my review of where I was with Alshon to what the real value of his rookie year was, and I think you were gracious KGB in saying that people were right and your glad we got him in the second.
Thats called flexibility and willingness to change. I guarantee you this other person will never bring up the name Burflict again, and is just waiting for Jeffrey to fail still so they can say told you so. They will hold onto that bitter cud until he breaks his leg or shows up fat one year 6 years from now.
My point from the beginning was you can't catch 1400 yards in the SEC and not have some serious skills. If you look closely, he lacks seperation because of the offense, the QB being kinda shitty, the competition level while his catch radius, fluid movement through the catch point, high point, and hands are incredible.
If he were forced to be the #1 he might have struggled, I will admit that now. But as a #2 he is quite the luxury.
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I thought I was being pretty generous by bringing in Clay Mathews as an example of someone else who can get caught in the wash.
I think we are on the same side, and have a similar view. Still good value potential possible from that pick! I agree. It took me 2 days after the draft to see any hope, but I know exactly what we have now, and his pass rush skills are brilliant. I was pleased with his hurry count.
The better he gets at the run(or the more creative we get with packages) the more he can be on the field.
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I like Jeffrey a lot but I lold really hard at the marshall comparisons. They have barely anything in common. Jeffrey is not nearly as strong or agile as Marshall. I don't know how you don't see that, its quite a crappy comparison. I've said before body frame wise and run after catch ability, Earl is the.one closest to Marshall.Definetly not Jeffrey; tthat's quite a reach.
I've made point Jeffrey is a lot like Plaxico in a lot of aspects
I've made point Jeffrey is a lot like Plaxico in a lot of aspects
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Isn't that the same for every 2nd year WR from this past season? Seriously, look back at the WRs picked before him:
1(5) Justin Blackmon - 64 catches, 865 yards, 5 TDs - For the 5th overall pick looked lost a good chunk of the year. Ended strong, but is a question mark for year 2.
1(13) Michael Floyd - 45 catches, 562 yards, 2 TDs - Started very slow as well, but came on late.
1(20) Kendall Wright - 64 catches 626 yards, 4 TDs - Decent rookie season and contributed right away.
1(30) - AJ Jenkins - No catches - Pretty self explainatory.
2(33) - Brian Quick - 11 catches, 156 yards, 2 TDs - For a team needing a WR to step up Quick was no where to be found.
2(43) - Stephen Hill - 21 catches, 252 yards, 3 TDs - Showed some of that explosion, but was no where near consistent.
2(43) - Alshon Jeffery - 24 catches 367 yards 3 TDs - Showed some flashes in what was an injury shortened season.
To me he still has a lot of talent, but also has to continue to develop. He's not there yet, but he's shown a good base to build off of.
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Very good comparison. Plaxico was always a bit of a yo-yo interms of production. Some games he'd be amazing. Other's he'd be MIA.
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If you define football fan as someone who watches box scores and highlights, that's Rory.
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I think it's way to early to say anything like "ended up being the most successful". It was just one season. Not only is it an extremely small sample, but all of the WRs went to different situations where they were asked to do way different things. AJ Jenkins didn't have a catch, but he was always on the sideline as the run heavy 49ers went with Crabtree/Moss for their semi-shaky QB. How do you compare his development to someone like Hilton, who was pretty much given a starting job lining up on the other side to Reggie Wayne?
It's way too early to make any type of comparisons. What I'll say about Jeffery is that he didn't lost, which is a good sign. He had some good moments and he had soe bad ones too. That's a part of the learning and ultimately it's on him if he can continue to improve.
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I think he was just saying Hilton was the most successful in that one season. Nothing more. It wasn't some prediction about anything down the line.
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RE: Hilton and Wright - I see what you are saying. For me that first year is really tough to get anything from. Moss was the only guy to really give you something immediately. Even look at Megatron's rookie year. It was mixed contributions due to injury.
RE: Run Heavy - When I say 'run heavy' I mean their formation. They rarely went 3 WR because either V. Davis or D. Walker would split out wide over brining in another WR. I agree that him having 0 catches is a bad sign, but that team had defined roles for certain players and based on the outcome it worked.
RE Jeffrey's situation - I'd make an argument that Jeffery did come into the best pure situation in having Cutler as a QB, Marshall drawing attention away and the #2 spot being up for grabs. That can be a blessing and a curse. Sometimes rookies aren't ready to capitalize on the opportunity. I think Marshall did okay in the snaps that he got. The injuries are an issue, but neither of them (knee scope and hand) look like things that will be issues going forward.
RE: Run Heavy - When I say 'run heavy' I mean their formation. They rarely went 3 WR because either V. Davis or D. Walker would split out wide over brining in another WR. I agree that him having 0 catches is a bad sign, but that team had defined roles for certain players and based on the outcome it worked.
RE Jeffrey's situation - I'd make an argument that Jeffery did come into the best pure situation in having Cutler as a QB, Marshall drawing attention away and the #2 spot being up for grabs. That can be a blessing and a curse. Sometimes rookies aren't ready to capitalize on the opportunity. I think Marshall did okay in the snaps that he got. The injuries are an issue, but neither of them (knee scope and hand) look like things that will be issues going forward.
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You just hope it's not a chronic thing with the hand since it's happened two straight seasons now. (Not sure if it was the same hand both times?)
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did I read you right? You just said cuter was part of problem and Marshall did ok with snaps he got? Lol
hat football games you watch? Cutler and Marshall are hardly the issue
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Are you that stupid? You said his 24 carches were "underwhelming" while admitting he was injured. Bot pointed out that your dumbass clearly can't figure out there's a learning curve for WRs. Combine that with an injury, a fellow wr going 100+ catches and 1500 yards along with poor OL play, poor play calling, and up and down qb play and you have your fucking answer!
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I liked the drafting of Alshon Jeffery, and I like it even more now. And I do not think that it is fair to look at his first year statistics as any sort of measure of his future abilities.
Any excuse that fans come up with for Jay Cutler's lack of production (offensive line, bad play calling, etc) would also apply to a wide receiver, even more so with one who is a deep threat. In fact, you can add to that excuse list possible deficiencies of Jay Cutler himself, and whether his fault or not staring down Marshall on most plays, possibly missing an opportunity to hit a wide open Jeffery.
If you guys are going to right about Trestman, Cutler, etc., I feel certain that you will be more than pleased with Jeffery's output this year.
Lets look at it another way, how do you think his first year production would have been if he started at wide receiver for a team like the Packers or Giants last year?
Any excuse that fans come up with for Jay Cutler's lack of production (offensive line, bad play calling, etc) would also apply to a wide receiver, even more so with one who is a deep threat. In fact, you can add to that excuse list possible deficiencies of Jay Cutler himself, and whether his fault or not staring down Marshall on most plays, possibly missing an opportunity to hit a wide open Jeffery.
If you guys are going to right about Trestman, Cutler, etc., I feel certain that you will be more than pleased with Jeffery's output this year.
Lets look at it another way, how do you think his first year production would have been if he started at wide receiver for a team like the Packers or Giants last year?
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games are won in the trenches. Up and down qb play could have something to do with the obscene pressurr Cutler saw. As you could tell w how bad Campbell did,
shows you really how bad that oline was
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did I read you right? You just said cuter was part of problem and Marshall did ok with snaps he got? Lol
hat football games you watch? Cutler and Marshall are hardly the issue
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This thread isn't about Jay Cutler you meatball fuck. Don't try turning it into one. Even bearmick and spartan aren't here doing that shit. Shows how much of a cock fetcher you are. Must have AIDS.
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Yes he is that stupid. At least for the first time he used something called a fact and did admit the flipside of his argument and said however Alshon was injured. Alshon missed several games so there is no way he could have gotten huge numbers..duh.Too bad he went on to say underwhelming at the end after the injury comment to show us all how smart he is as usual LOL
Alshon did pretty well for a 2nd rounder who didn't see the field much for a #2
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The only person who reads Rory comments is Firsttimer.
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