Let's say Front Office decides Fields isn't the answer and drafts a QB. Smart play is to still Start Fields next year.

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Obviously not 1:1 but Sam Darnold returned a 2nd, 4th, and 6th after his third year. I think the vast majority of people would agree that Fields has more value and potential than Darnold did.

Tough to image they couldn't get something like a 24 2nd and 25 3rd for him.
 

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Sorry, I stopped reading at

"Let's say Front Office decides Fields isn't the answer"​


Since when has front office made any logical decision about anything concerning the Bears?
 

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Obviously not 1:1 but Sam Darnold returned a 2nd, 4th, and 6th after his third year. I think the vast majority of people would agree that Fields has more value and potential than Darnold did.

Tough to image they couldn't get something like a 24 2nd and 25 3rd for him.

You literally justify a higher price and then instantly are willing to sell for vastly less??? Actuarily that idea sucks ass.
 

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You literally justify a higher price and then instantly are willing to sell for vastly less??? Actuarily that idea sucks ass.
The second and sixth for Darnold were the following year. Second this year and third next is worth a good deal more. Also not 1:1 market is different every year.

If you're gonna cry about something that is a total hypothetical, you should at least make sure you know what you're talking about before you do.
 

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A well-run organization would go into the draft knowing whether or not they're taking their future QB with the 1st or 2nd overall pick.

If they know they're taking a QB in the first, it would be idiotic to not have a deal in place to move Fields either before the draft, or during the draft. No way Fields and a rookie should be on the roster at the same time.

If the Bears draft a rookie early this year they better have a veteran on the roster that can serve as both a placeholder until the rookie is ready, and an on-field coach.
 

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The second and sixth for Darnold were the following year. Second this year and third next is worth a good deal more. Also not 1:1 market is different every year.

If you're gonna cry about something that is a total hypothetical, you should at least make sure you know what you're talking about before you do.
YESTERDAY'S PRICE ISN'T TODAY'S PRICE.
 

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To me, here's why.

Right now, when you look at the state of the Bears, the offensive line is shit and the coaching is shit.

Let's say they draft whomever QB x is, and replaced the coaching staff with better coaches.

Start Fields, and let the rookie sit at least half the year, up until the trade deadline.


By doing that, you take a situation where if you didn't Fields walks away for nothing, and instead you have this situation:

Fields begins the season starting. Lets say you draft new offensive linemen. They will need time to gel. You need time to see what you got. Let Fields take the beating from those growing pains instead of your shiny new toy.

If Fields starts out bad in the new offense, you make the call by game 3-4 and switch QBs, by which the offensive line, if the draft got it right, is now solid for your rookie QB to play behind. You let the rookie learn on the job the rest of the year and Fields walks.

If Fields catches fire, and looks good for the first half of the season, now you have flexibility. Do you want to trade him before the deadline? You might get some actual value out of him if this scenario happens. Or, he could just end up being so damn good, that the GM and staff determine it was bad coaching holding him back this whole time, and you re-sign Fields and have a situation where you now have the flexibility to either trade or just hold onto your first round overall pick.



Thoughts?


*Edit* - Yeah, I thought Fields was in his 4th year, not his 3rd. I changed the title and adjusted the post because I still think starting him next year is the right move, no matter who we draft, for the reasons I stated.

For you trolls who think I can never admit when I make a mistake, there you go.
I see your logic but think JF has shown enough promise that you use those 2 high picks for a boatload of picks and maybe a player or 2
use those picks to load up on OL, DL and playmakers. If Fields fails, you have picks and $$'s to get the next generational QB and
they walk into a better situation with a chance to succeed.
 

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maybe, depending on what Fields does the rest of the year.
I think that would be a huge part of it, obviously-- if he comes back and plays really damn good ball.

Also, it would depend on the coaching staff we bring in next year. Maybe the next HC thinks he can salvage and win with Fields and would rather use the draft capital on position players.
 

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How do you know? You've said you don't watch college football (it shows). So the only thing you've seen is highlight reels, if anything at all
I watch all Caleb's games and he holds the ball forever trying for the big play.
 

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I'm not thrilled with this QB class. Top 2 so far are Williams and Maye based on the buzz, but both have some serious warning flags when it comes to how they will translate into pros. But to my eyes, Williams might be more flashy, but Maye is the closest to being pro-ready, and there are some things he does that college QBs don't usually learn until they are on the pro level. If a team can determine those WTF throws of his are something correctable (maybe bad coaching or told to do something stupid), he's going to turn out to at a bare minimum be a decent pro, and could be a real threat in the right system (like a team like Miami, but they already got Tua).

As far as Penix and Nix goes, this is the first I think I heard of Nix, and aside from the funny name, its hard for me to find the desire to watch tape of Penix knowing he's one good hit away from a very short NFL career...
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If your premise is that Justin Fields ain't the guy I just don't see why you wouldn't trade Justin Fields for a second this off-season and blow the money on a one-year deal for Kirk Cousins. Take the picks now, spend the money while you have the flexibility and if your attitude is "**** it he's not the quarterback we have in our long term plans anyways" then there's really not a lot of harm in giving Cousins the reins.
For as much as you bag on Fields, to them go and assume he'd get a 2nd is hilarious.

If the guy sucks as bad as you claim, they won't get much for him. Can't have it both ways.
 

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Sorry, I stopped reading at

"Let's say Front Office decides Fields isn't the answer"​


Since when has front office made any logical decision about anything concerning the Bears?

I can't argue with that logic
 

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For as much as you bag on Fields, to them go and assume he'd get a 2nd is hilarious.

If the guy sucks as bad as you claim, they won't get much for him. Can't have it both ways.
His perception around the league isn't always grounded in reality. I am not opposed to letting him play another year also.
 

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The second and sixth for Darnold were the following year. Second this year and third next is worth a good deal more. Also not 1:1 market is different every year.

If you're gonna cry about something that is a total hypothetical, you should at least make sure you know what you're talking about before you do.

If you're going to cry about me crying about something hypothetical at least make sure you gave all the information you're going to cry about me not using in your post.
 

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If you're going to cry about me crying about something hypothetical at least make sure you gave all the information you're going to cry about me not using in your post.
You didn't do your homework, didn't read what I wrote very carefully, and then snapped off some angry stuff complete with exclamation points and calling my post 'ass.'

I'm not crying, just looking for better discussion than you are providing. Like you could make a comment about what you think Fields might be worth in a trade. Or something that isn't just whining like a *****.
 

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I don't feel good about this current crew presiding over Bagent, let alone a new qb.

I want to see C, LT, and G getting addressed as well.

If they don't do this, they shouldn't start a new QB. He should sit behind whomever they keep here.

Quick note:
Mark Potash (Sun-Times).....ran some numbers. Thirty.....in 23 games, that's the number of OL combinations
the Bears have had under Eberflus. I'll be talking more about this as we move forward.
 

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I'm gonna let the year ride out. Fields earns it or he does not earn it. I have not decided or given up yet. Also I don't feel great about the QBs in the coming draft. That may change but right now Fields is the better option IMO. Need a better staff.

"Need a better staff."

This part


Lawrence in Jacksonville went from Meyer to x-NFL Qb / HC Doug Pederson. Tua went from Flores staff to Mike McDaniel.

Both Lawrence and Tua are doing a lot better now.(y)
 

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Tough to image they couldn't get something like a 24 2nd and 25 3rd for him.

Tough to imagine?

I mean; if he plays the rest if this year like he has in 21 of the last 23 games I can imagine his possible trade return being diminished
 
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