Lots of Andy Dalton hate but

[Aquineas]

No hate for Opie. But if Fields can't outplay him, then we've made a mistake.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I love the revisionist history.

Prior to the drafting of fields there was a ton of Andy Dalton hate and I caught shit for saying that I think he's going to be better than everyone expects. Mind you I never said Dalton would be in all pro but I think he would be the perfect point guard in a sense and distribute the ball to The playmakers behind an improved offensive line that I thought would be coming in the draft.

Of course now that everyone is vibing off of the feel-good in having fields, people are trying to walk that back and it's hilarious to me.

Honestly it's not that I don't get it. Going from potentially getting Russell Wilson to signing Andy Dalton was a huge emotional blow for a lot of fans and for the following months up until the draft they could not be rational about it.

Now that we drafted fields and have a real bona fide Blue Chip quarterback prospect in the building, but also know that Dalton will start and will likely hold on to the starting job this year as long as he is able to so that behind the scenes Fields can be prepped for next year, a lot of people are calming down and finally starting to take a look at things rationally and coming to the same conclusion that I did several months prior simply because I didn't suffer the emotional shock everyone else did.

In short, Dalton will be fine. And when he's ready, I think Fields will be exceptional.

 

[CHIBEAR]

Dalton is a turd ...

and its about time we stop polishing turds .

He was never a viable starter for this season NEVER .

 

[satchice]

I love the revisionist history.

Prior to the drafting of fields there was a ton of Andy Dalton hate and I caught shit for saying that I think he's going to be better than everyone expects. Mind you I never said Dalton would be in all pro but I think he would be the perfect point guard in a sense and distribute the ball to The playmakers behind an improved offensive line that I thought would be coming in the draft.

Of course now that everyone is vibing off of the feel-good in having fields, people are trying to walk that back and it's hilarious to me.

Honestly it's not that I don't get it. Going from potentially getting Russell Wilson to signing Andy Dalton was a huge emotional blow for a lot of fans and for the following months up until the draft they could not be rational about it.

Now that we drafted fields and have a real bona fide Blue Chip quarterback prospect in the building, but also know that Dalton will start and will likely hold on to the starting job this year as long as he is able to so that behind the scenes Fields can be prepped for next year, a lot of people are calming down and finally starting to take a look at things rationally and coming to the same conclusion that I did several months prior simply because I didn't suffer the emotional shock everyone else did.

In short, Dalton will be fine. And when he's ready, I think Fields will be exceptional.

If the offensive line is improved then why wouldn’t you start the Fields? How much can Fields progress sitting on the bench? I mean I am sure he will learn how to watch game film and the rhythm of calling the plays and cadences. I also think he will learn all the things on the field faster than he would from the bench. How much better do you think Jordan Love got last year?

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

If the offensive line is improved then why wouldn’t you start the Fields? How much can Fields progress sitting on the bench? I mean I am sure he will learn how to watch game film and the rhythm of calling the plays and cadences. I also think he will learn all the things on the field faster than he would from the bench. How much better do you think Jordan Love got last year?

Jordan love wasn't this level of a prospect.

Let me turn the question right back at you.

How much did it hurt Mahommes to have him sit for most of the year when Alex Smith was leading the charge?

From my eyes it doesn't appear it affected him at all other than to help him prepare...

 

[vinson555]

I hate Dalton's contract still. Bills get Mitch for 25% of that and I think for this offense since he can run he is a better QB for it than Dalton. My other issue is that when they had a QB like Foles in there, they were STILL running the offense there like Mitch was there, running option plays when EVERYONE AND THERE MOTHER know Monty is getting the ball.

If I felt like, they will Tailor the offense to Dalton for this year, and Fields isn't ready week one to do so, by all means play Dalton, maybe miss the playoffs, get another High set of draft picks. (Even if we only have 5). High set of picks still means you can trade down in a deep draft and find talent

 

[CHIBEAR]

Jordan love wasn't this level of a prospect.

Let me turn the question right back at you.

How much did it hurt Mahommes to have him sit for most of the year when Alex Smith was leading the charge?

From my eyes it doesn't appear it affected him at all other than to help him prepare...

Its no where close to the same thing I don't know why anyone keeps making this comparison .

Smith had had made 2 pro bowls the previous 4 years running that system
They made the playoffs 3 of those previous 4 seasons
They were top 10 in points in 2 of those first 4 years

The Chiefs had the luxury of allowing Mahomes to sit behind someone who was running that system about as well as it can be ran on pure execution . It proved right because Smith and the Chiefs offense had another great year while Mahomes sat . Mahomes then added his personal talents to the team the next year and took it to yet another level .

Dalton is nowhere near any of that in any capacity the guy hasn't played well since John Fox was coaching and there is nothing that Dalton cant show Fields from a backup role .

There is zero reason to waste reps on Dalton when we are trying to change the direction of the franchise


Dalton started 9 years in Cincinnati and his teams point ranking was


2019 -30th
2018 -17th
2017- 26th
2016- 24th
2015-7th
2014- 15th
2013- 6th
2012-12th
2011- 18th

while his teams defense point ranking was

2019-25th
2018- 30th
2017-16th
2016- 8th
2015-2nd
2014-12th
2013- 5th
2012-8th
2011- 9th

Talk about deja vu .,..Bears fans should be running as far away from his @ss as humanly possible as hes exactly the type of mediocrity we are trying to escape from

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Its no where close to the same thing I don't know why anyone keeps making this comparison .

Smith had had made 2 pro bowls the previous 4 years running that system
They made the playoffs 3 of those previous 4 seasons
They were top 10 in points in 2 of those first 4 years

The Chiefs had the luxury of allowing Mahomes to sit behind someone who was running that system about as well as it can be ran on pure execution . It proved right because Smith and the Chiefs offense had another great year while Mahomes sat . Mahomes then added his personal talents to the team the next year and took it to yet another level .

Dalton is nowhere near any of that in any capacity the guy hasn't played well since John Fox was coaching and there is nothing that Dalton cant show Fields from a backup role .

There is zero reason to waste reps on Dalton when we are trying to change the direction of the franchise


Dalton started 9 years in Cincinnati and his teams point ranking was


2019 -30th
2018 -17th
2017- 26th
2016- 24th
2015-7th
2014- 15th
2013- 6th
2012-12th
2011- 18th

while his teams defense point ranking was

2019-25th
2018- 30th
2017-16th
2016- 8th
2015-2nd
2014-12th
2013- 5th
2012-8th
2011- 9th

Talk about deja vu .,..Bears fans should be running as far away from his @ss as humanly possible as hes exactly the type of mediocrity we are trying to escape from

So we should potentially trash our new quarterback just because you don't like our current one?

This is why you are so short sighted.

No one is going to argue that Dalton is as good as Alex Smith was. That's not the point which is why you keep missing it.

The point is to have someone competent enough to allow the coaching staff to take their time with developing the future of the franchise instead of just thrusting them out there to sate the lust of fans who want to see him from the very beginning and then those same fans will bitch if doing so screws up the quarterback.

Dalton is supposed to be a good enough fill in to fill that Gap until the coaches feel Fields is ready.

That is his role.

We should all be hoping that he does his role very well because it means the coaches will feel like they were given enough time to properly develop Fields into taking over whenever that signal shows he is ready to the staff.

You are looking at the production of the quarterbacks Dalton and smith. That is 100% irrelevant to the conversation.

I am talking about the development plan for Fields.

 

[CHIBEAR]

So we should potentially trash our new quarterback just because you don't like our current one?

This is why you are so short sighted.

No one is going to argue that Dalton is as good as Alex Smith was. That's not the point which is why you keep missing it.

The point is to have someone competent enough to allow the coaching staff to take their time with developing the future of the franchise instead of just thrusting them out there to sate the lust of fans who want to see him from the very beginning and then those same fans will bitch if doing so screws up the quarterback.

Dalton is supposed to be a good enough fill in to fill that Gap until the coaches feel Fields is ready.

That is his role.

We should all be hoping that he does his role very well because it means the coaches will feel like they were given enough time to properly develop Fields into taking over whenever that signal shows he is ready to the staff.

You are looking at the production of the quarterbacks Dalton and smith. That is 100% irrelevant to the conversation.

I am talking about the development plan for Fields.

What do you mean take their time ? What are you talking about ? All I see is fear and its not Justin Fields but fans putting a hundred years of disappointment and their Mitch baggage on this kid .


This is the same coaching staff who 90 days ago was considered crap and who the majority of people wanted gone

The same coaching staff and fans who basically are standing by letting their fear push them right back into the same damn mistakes .

What rational thinking people cosigns back to back seasons of the coach starting the wrong guy in camp only to make a change a few weeks into the season ?

No player has been screwed because they played they were screwed because them playing reveled that they just were not good enough .

You aren't talking about developing Fields because if you were you would want 100% of the coaching and resources to be given to him from day one . So many of you are flat out ignoring the realities of the NFL for some pie in the sky fantasy.

Of course Smith is irrelevant as is Mahomes who some of you love to bring up when there is ZERO correlation beyond your fantasies of trying to recreate that situation .

Dalton is not irrelevant because every damn snap ,chat ,practice ,walk thru ,and rep thats spent on him is time and energy not spent on Justin Fields .

The Bengals didn't plan on spending all their time and energy keeping Dalton around until Joe Burrows was ready . They knew they could get anything Dalton and his mediocre ways could teach Burrow from somewhere else for much cheaper .

Justin Fields is not a PROJECT QB so stop treating him like one . We had one of the lowest IQ Qbs in the league for the past few seasons and we bring in someone who basically is the exact opposite and yet we still treat him like the project guy

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

What do you mean take their time ? What are you talking about ? All I see is fear and its not Justin Fields but fans putting a hundred years of disappointment and their Mitch baggage on this kid .


This is the same coaching staff who 90 days ago was considered crap and who the majority of people wanted gone

The same coaching staff and fans who basically are standing by letting their fear push them right back into the same damn mistakes .

What rational thinking people cosigns back to back seasons of the coach starting the wrong guy in camp only to make a change a few weeks into the season ?

No player has been screwed because they played they were screwed because them playing reveled that they just were not good enough .

You aren't talking about developing Fields because if you were you would want 100% of the coaching and resources to be given to him from day one . So many of you are flat out ignoring the realities of the NFL for some pie in the sky fantasy.

Of course Smith is irrelevant as is Mahomes who some of you love to bring up when there is ZERO correlation beyond your fantasies of trying to recreate that situation .

Dalton is not irrelevant because every damn snap ,chat ,practice ,walk thru ,and rep thats spent on him is time and energy not spent on Justin Fields .

The Bengals didn't plan on spending all their time and energy keeping Dalton around until Joe Burrows was ready . They knew they could get anything Dalton and his mediocre ways could teach Burrow from somewhere else for much cheaper .

Justin Fields is not a PROJECT QB so stop treating him like one . We had one of the lowest IQ Qbs in the league for the past few seasons and we bring in someone who basically is the exact opposite and yet we still treat him like the project guy

You're accusing us of fear when the reality is you just have ants in your pants and you want to get your jollies from watching the kid from day one for your own personal satisfaction.

The coaches have a plan for the kid. Certain things happen during the season but I would rather the coaches feel they were able to execute the plan for the kid to put them in the best situation to succeed however they determine that.

Your personal opinion of wanting to play with your shiny new toy and having an emotional tantrum on us when we argue against that impulse frankly is your issue and not ours as fans.

 

[Aquineas]

Jordan love wasn't this level of a prospect.

Let me turn the question right back at you.

How much did it hurt Mahommes to have him sit for most of the year when Alex Smith was leading the charge?

From my eyes it doesn't appear it affected him at all other than to help him prepare...

Mahomes has sucked eggs so far in the NFL.

 

[CHIBEAR]

You're accusing us of fear when the reality is you just have ants in your pants and you want to get your jollies from watching the kid from day one for your own personal satisfaction.

The coaches have a plan for the kid. Certain things happen during the season but I would rather the coaches feel they were able to execute the plan for the kid to put them in the best situation to succeed however they determine that.

Your personal opinion of wanting to play with your shiny new toy and having an emotional tantrum on us when we argue against that impulse frankly is your issue and not ours as fans.

Actually I want to win and I believe Fields is gonna be a great qb and the great ones dont have to sit a year or two watching mediocrity before they are ready

Outside of Mahomes who only a damn fool believes that if he would've played his first year wouldn't have still been great his first year in the league after watching Watson tear $hit up before his injury.

The good qbs play and start day one this fantasy that the Bears fanbase have dreamed up of he has to sit is not based on reality of the NFL.

The coaches have a plan ? Their plan is to copy what KC did but since Nagy arrived how successful has anything Nagy tried to copy from KC worked .

Who is us ? You arguing that Dalton is some how a viable alternatives to a path of Bears success but there is is literally no evidence of it . You ran in this thread beating your chest about how you was behind Dalton from the start and how everyone else was being irrational because they know hes mediocre.

You claim hes gonna be a POINT GUARD for the YEAR while Fields preps ? The Bears don't need a damn POINT GUARD they need a superstar playmaker .

We drafted Derrick Rose and you wanna sit him the entire season behind Lindsey Hunter!!!

 

[Bearly]

Patrick played one game his 1st year after all that training and still threw up a 76 rating and that's exactly what it looked like. We're in a different situation with Fields being more prepared and Dalton not as good as Smith so Fields should start at some point this year but yes, Mahomes needed it. He may have turned out just as good (probably) but KC wouldn't have been. Smith was still the better QB.

When Fields shows he's not just better but better without the greater likelihood of the critical error, he'll start and it should only go uphill from that point. Could be game 1, could be game 9. I don't see the point in telling those with expertise on how to coach QBs what's best for them.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Actually I want to win and I believe Fields is gonna be a great qb and the great ones dont have to sit a year or two watching mediocrity before they are ready

Outside of Mahomes who only a damn fool believes that if he would've played his first year wouldn't have still been great his first year in the league after watching Watson tear $hit up before his injury.

The good qbs play and start day one this fantasy that the Bears fanbase have dreamed up of he has to sit is not based on reality of the NFL.

The coaches have a plan ? Their plan is to copy what KC did but since Nagy arrived how successful has anything Nagy tried to copy from KC worked .

Who is us ? You arguing that Dalton is some how a viable alternatives to a path of Bears success but there is is literally no evidence of it . You ran in this thread beating your chest about how you was behind Dalton from the start and how everyone else was being irrational because they know hes mediocre.

You claim hes gonna be a POINT GUARD for the YEAR while Fields preps ? The Bears don't need a damn POINT GUARD they need a superstar playmaker .

We drafted Derrick Rose and you wanna sit him the entire season behind Lindsey Hunter!!!

It's an expression. You are in over your skis

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

As much as you hate Andy Dalton he was a franchise quarterback. This isn’t Nick Foles or Mike Glennon.

at any rate, like I said in another thread I think JF is starting week 1. He’s light years more talented than Dalton even in his prime.

 

[Canth]

I would never call And Dalton a franchise qb. He had been a solid long time starter, but he was never a franchise qb that could carry a team or really make guys around him better. And he's never led his team to a playoff win.

But yes, he is better than Glennon. And I think he is likely more consistent and better for longer stretches of games than Foles. Foles outside of Philly, for whatever reason, just doesn't click.

 

[satchice]

Jordan love wasn't this level of a prospect.

Let me turn the question right back at you.

How much did it hurt Mahommes to have him sit for most of the year when Alex Smith was leading the charge?

From my eyes it doesn't appear it affected him at all other than to help him prepare...

We will never know if it hurt or helped Mahomes. I don’t think it hurts or helps much at all, but I do know the cost of the Chiefs one year of his rookie salary window. and potentially they could’ve won the Super Bowl his rookie year.

 

[Bearly]

I would never call And Dalton a franchise qb. He had been a solid long time starter, but he was never a franchise qb that could carry a team or really make guys around him better. And he's never led his team to a playoff win.

But yes, he is better than Glennon. And I think he is likely more consistent and better for longer stretches of games than Foles. Foles outside of Philly, for whatever reason, just doesn't click.

Why is this board always trying to redefine terms. Starting 9 straight years for the same franchise is the definition of a franchise QB, LOL.

 

[Bearly]

We will never know if it hurt or helped Mahomes. I don’t think it hurts or helps much at all, but I do know the cost of the Chiefs one year of his rookie salary window. and potentially they could’ve won the Super Bowl his rookie year.

Blame Nagy's playcalling, not Smith. Did they get to the next year's SB with Mahomes or did the Pats go to both those SBs? No one knows if any of your assumptions have merit. It's a woulda, coulda, shoulda, argument

 

[Bearly]

As much as you hate Andy Dalton he was a franchise quarterback. This isn’t Nick Foles or Mike Glennon.

at any rate, like I said in another thread I think JF is starting week 1. He’s light years more talented than Dalton even in his prime.

I said when we signed Dalton that the situation felt just like Glennon and we'd be taking one somewhere the draft. Like you, I'm also not a Dalton fan but I do suspect he'll start for a short time. Knowing that's the plan, if Fields starts game 1, it tells me that he'll be considered to be prepared. Still, wouldn't it be exciting for him to replace Dalton mid game and rally a win.