Lots of Andy Dalton hate but

[satchice]

Mitch would have cost almost $15m more than Dalton had we exercised his option and he wasn't signing here for what he took in Buffalo. A choice he made to reset and not about income. Anyone signing him as a starter would have paid him low starter money, just like Dalton. Dallas wanted him back.

Yeah, but we are not talking about if we picked up his 5th year option. We are talking about who is the better backup QB. Since, you know, they are both backup QBs at this point in their careers. I know Dalton might actually start a couple games this years, because they paid him to be a starter and not because he is the best option.

For example if Dalton was not signed by the Bears previously, and was a free agent and today the Chicago Bears signed Andy Dalton. He would be looked as an insurance policy in case Fields can not pick up on the offense, but he would be viewed as a backup. He is only in consideration to be the starter because he was signed when we thought there was NO HOPE of getting a real starting QB and they paid him the very bottom end starter money. This doesn't make him a better QB then Fields or literally any actual starter in the league, he is a backup just like Mitch.

What are the things that Dalton does so well that you are boost him for? He has always had great talent surrounding him yet he can not win a playoff game, He crumbles under pressure. He has been on teams with good coaches, good offenses, good defenses, but still can't win a playoff game.

Its hard to compare 2 QB who play on different teams, but these 2 guy are almost the same. These are the stats that are the fairest to compare. Dalton played in 4 playoff games to Mitch's 2

Dalton
Career INT% -- 2.6% RATE 87.5
Payoffs TD -- 1 INT -- 6 RATE 57.8

Trubisky
Career INT% -- 2.3% RATE 87.2
Payoffs TD -- 2 INT -- 0 RATE 92.5

 

[Bearly]

I'll give you better than Mitch between the ears, but why Nagy went back to Mitch last year was because Foles was slow and the OLine struggled to give him 2.5 seconds on many a drop back which led to some stupid, shitty throws and Mitch was mobile enough to give himself more time before choosing to chuck it up into blanketed coverage as opposed to the wide open guy he could never see.

Dalton during his best time in Cinci was a middling QB who had an above-average OLine much of the time and elite WRs that he could feast on with short/mid-range passes. Could never win a playoff game whereas Foles--albeit with one of the best OL and a well-timed hotstreak in football during 17-18 season, won a Superbowl. Then you wonder how much more Dalton could have lasted behind the Bears shitty OL against good competition last year--and--you don't have to think hard, because with a dilapidated OL in Dallas last year--Dalton became roadkill who put up 20ish points a game as pointed out by someone else; and until 3 gift games of an ambulance squad in SF, Philly, and the Bengals at the end of the season--Dalton led the Cowboys at a robust 3-9...

So an upgrade over Mitch? Yes. Over Foles? I don't buy it even with a differential in salaries (Dalton didn't get paid after he never won the big game), but you go nuts. Dalton and Foles are another Shane Matthews/Jim Miller, and one having a good day one week and a shitty day the next before replacement is just more of the same sad middling-at-best to me.

How the fuck am i going nuts. Are you illiterate? I don't like Dalton. He's just the lessor evil. There's a reason Dallas wanted him back and that he started 9 seasons. Foles only started 1/2 the games in a season thrice and one of those was last year.

 

[Bearly]

Yeah, but we are not talking about if we picked up his 5th year option. We are talking about who is the better backup QB. Since, you know, they are both backup QBs at this point in their careers. I know Dalton might actually start a couple games this years, because they paid him to be a starter and not because he is the best option.

For example if Dalton was not signed by the Bears previously, and was a free agent and today the Chicago Bears signed Andy Dalton. He would be looked as an insurance policy in case Fields can not pick up on the offense, but he would be viewed as a backup. He is only in consideration to be the starter because he was signed when we thought there was NO HOPE of getting a real starting QB and they paid him the very bottom end starter money. This doesn't make him a better QB then Fields or literally any actual starter in the league, he is a backup just like Mitch.

What are the things that Dalton does so well that you are boost him for? He has always had great talent surrounding him yet he can not win a playoff game, He crumbles under pressure. He has been on teams with good coaches, good offenses, good defenses, but still can't win a playoff game.

Its hard to compare 2 QB who play on different teams, but these 2 guy are almost the same. These are the stats that are the fairest to compare. Dalton played in 4 playoff games to Mitch's 2

Dalton
Career INT% -- 2.6% RATE 87.5
Payoffs TD -- 1 INT -- 6 RATE 57.8

Trubisky
Career INT% -- 2.3% RATE 87.2
Payoffs TD -- 2 INT -- 0 RATE 92.5

You clearly pointed to how much money we'd save by keeping Mitch. My rebuttal to you is not me making a point. You made it what we were talking about and now you're making a mountain out of a molehill here.
I'm out. Lost interest. You win. Andy Dalton isn't just a little bit better than what we had and won't be able to show Fields the ropes better than what we had either.

 

[satchice]

I think only Bears fans would prefer Dalton over Trubisky. I cant imagine any fanbase wanting Dalton over Mitch as their backup QB. There is just no apparent upside Dalton has.

 

[satchice]

You clearly pointed to how much money we'd save by keeping Mitch. You're making a mountain out of a molehill here.

Forget about money for a minute. If you were a fan of the Cardinals, 49ers, Steelers, Ravens, etc.. Who would you rather have as your backup QB? I think you prefer Dalton simply because your sick of watching the Trubisky show, and I don't blame you, but I just don't believe watching the Dalton show is any better. I actually think it will be very similar and less exciting.

 

[Zvbxrpl]

How the fuck am i going nuts. Are you illiterate? I don't like Dalton. He's just the lessor evil. There's a reason Dallas wanted him back and that he started 9 seasons. Foles only started 1/2 the games in a season thrice and one of those was last year.

You're picking a dumb hill to die on. When did I say you liked Dalton?

I'm saying I'm unconvinced he's an upgrade to Nick Foles--who is the exact same middling talent with a better resume at QB during their 9/10 year careers except Foles comes with a higher price that Ryan Pace decided to fuck sideways instead of paying him out all of the Jax guaranteed $ he would have been last year so you could have kept that Kyle Fuller guy and been done with Foles--who Pace can't even give away now.

And if Dallas wanted Dalton back? Is that why they gave Dak 40 mil a year?

Foles and Dalton are the same guy, and you prefer the Ginger because you haven't seen him suck in a bears Uni. They're below-average game managers who can be successful when all of the 'if' boxes are checked. If he has good WRs/supporting weapons. If he has a good OL. If he's in a good scheme. Etc.

You don't need 2 and as a result, 16.66 mil is now tied up at QB before your 1st round pick is signed between the two and you had to lose your all-pro CB1 who is younger than 30...

 

[Bearly]

LOL at when a bump in the road like thinking he's functionally a little better for this O than what we had becomes a hill to die on. Talk about making mountains out of molehills. On an absolute basis, I don't even care for the guy but he's not as big a wuss as Foles nor as mentally handicapped as Mitch. That's my mound. I'll be fine if I stumble off of that.