Luther Burden Breakdown

[DrGonzo]

With that skill set I think they have to at least take a look at using him at KR/PR.

He could make the return game more than a boring exercise and it might reign in any tendency to start shit if he doesn't feel he is involved enough.

 

[--CyBear--]

...Bears line up with 2 TE, DJ and Burden in the backfield with CW under center and Rome outside.

 

[msadows]

...Bears line up with 2 TE, DJ and Burden in the backfield with CW under center and Rome outside.

So three TE's? @ILoveDick

 

[gallagher]

With that skill set I think they have to at least take a look at using him at KR/PR.

He could make the return game more than a boring exercise and it might reign in any tendency to start shit if he doesn't feel he is involved enough.

I'm perfectly fine with using a guy with this kind of agility and burst as a KR/PR. He's a good WR with gadget play ability, instead of a gadget player. Basically, he is what the team wanted to get out of VJJ (who couldn't catch and struggled to get north-south).

Moreover, he's not going to face double coverage all year. You're taking a talented prospect and putting him in position to just have to beat one guy before bursting loose. I think that he's going to have one of the easiest path to success of all the best WRs of this class. McMillan has a QB that is quite hit-or-miss, and aims to be their top weapon. EE in TB will struggle to get on the field, Golden has a QB that loves to throw rainbow passes and will get bullied by strong DBs competing for those passes. Tre Harris went to an offense that prefers to run all day, Jack Beck went to an offense with a placeholder at QB. Travis Hunter, an incredible talent, is a threat to burn out down the line from overuse.

Higgins at Houston is in about the same position as Burden, WRT being in a great position to succeed early. My bet would be that one of these two have the biggest rookie year among WRs

 

[knoxville7]

I'm perfectly fine with using a guy with this kind of agility and burst as a KR/PR. He's a good WR with gadget play ability, instead of a gadget player. Basically, he is what the team wanted to get out of VJJ (who couldn't catch and struggled to get north-south).

Moreover, he's not going to face double coverage all year. You're taking a talented prospect and putting him in position to just have to beat one guy before bursting loose. I think that he's going to have one of the easiest path to success of all the best WRs of this class. McMillan has a QB that is quite hit-or-miss, and aims to be their top weapon. EE in TB will struggle to get on the field, Golden has a QB that loves to throw rainbow passes and will get bullied by strong DBs competing for those passes. Tre Harris went to an offense that prefers to run all day, Jack Beck went to an offense with a placeholder at QB. Travis Hunter, an incredible talent, is a threat to burn out down the line from overuse.

Higgins at Houston is in about the same position as Burden, WRT being in a great position to succeed early. My bet would be that one of these two have the biggest rookie year among WRs

thing is, even if burden balls out, there are a lot of mouths to feed in the bears offense now. he could have a solid year but still not be anywhere near rookie of the year convo because his numbers wont be there

 

[--CyBear--]

So three TE's? @ILoveDick

He's got a reason to cum back.

 

[gallagher]

thing is, even if burden balls out, there are a lot of mouths to feed in the bears offense now. he could have a solid year but still not be anywhere near rookie of the year convo because his numbers wont be there

Oh I was not considering ROY convo, but specific impact for the team. Which, I will admit, is a subjective metric. I would say that on an objective basis, his explosive impact will be seen in a yards-per-touch (per-touch because he's probably going to be a threat to be moved into the backfield, or on end around, given his short-space quickness).

I think 50 touches (3/game) is a decent figure to aim for his rookie year. That won't produce ROY numbers, but it will be significant enough to have an observed impact on the offense.

Also, WRT ROY, watch Sanders get like six starts towards the end of the year, the president will tweet about it and turn it into his own victory lap, and every ROY voter agrees to just give him the award as a consequence.

 

[knoxville7]

Oh I was not considering ROY convo, but specific impact for the team. Which, I will admit, is a subjective metric. I would say that on an objective basis, his explosive impact will be seen in a yards-per-touch (per-touch because he's probably going to be a threat to be moved into the backfield, or on end around, given his short-space quickness).

I think 50 touches (3/game) is a decent figure to aim for his rookie year. That won't produce ROY numbers, but it will be significant enough to have an observed impact on the offense.

Also, WRT ROY, watch Sanders get like six starts towards the end of the year, the president will tweet about it and turn it into his own victory lap, and every ROY voter agrees to just give him the award as a consequence.

this is a realistic expectation, for sure

 

[remydat]

lol so now we are doing what if yardage

Every WR could do that and make up what if yardage

Also, Cook is currently an NFL QB for the NY Jets, so clearly the NFL doesn’t think cook is trash

Cook was a better than average college QB. Did he miss throws at times? Yes, like every QB does.

You asked why Burden didn't put up stats against the top defenses. His QB missing him often in that game is a relevant explanation. Like how did he have a bad game if he is open but the QB misses him?

Cook was undrafted. The GA secondary are clearly vastly superior. Most of those GA guys drafted in the 1st or 2nd will start or get significant playing time. Cook will be lucky to make the practice squad.

 

[knoxville7]

You asked why Burden didn't put up stats against the top defenses. His QB missing him often in that game is a relevant explanation. Like how did he have a bad game if he is open but the QB misses him?

Cook was undrafted. The GA secondary are clearly vastly superior. Most of those GA guys drafted in the 1st or 2nd will start or get significant playing time. Cook will be lucky to make the practice squad.

quick question...

guys that are rostered on an NFL roster are above average college football players or not? cook is on an NFL roster currently

and you are harping on 1 game against georgia as if that is the only game where he played against a good defense and acting like cook is the only QB to ever miss a throw.

MHJ for example played with QB's that missed throws as well, yet he managed to still dominate good defenses.

luther burden is not the first WR to play with a QB that missed throws sometimes

 

[Discus fish salesman]

quick question...

guys that are rostered on an NFL roster are above average college football players or not? cook is on an NFL roster currently

and you are harping on 1 game against georgia as if that is the only game where he played against a good defense and acting like cook is the only QB to ever miss a throw.

MHJ for example played with QB's that missed throws as well, yet he managed to still dominate good defenses.

luther burden is not the first WR to play with a QB that missed throws sometimes

Look here buddy, Quinn ewers is on an nfl roster because he was an above average high school qb

 

[knoxville7]

Look here buddy, Quinn ewers is on an nfl roster because he was an above average high school qb

hey buddy....

Ewers would also be an above average college QB

the average college QB doesnt end up on an NFL roster. thats just reality

every year, how many QB's go to the NFL? 10-15, tops?

and how many college QB's are there?? like 300?

so yeah, that makes them above average

 

[TL1961]

I bet you guys are just a couple dozen posts away from convincing the other guy your speculation for what might happen is completely correct.

 

[SugarWalls]

thing is, even if burden balls out, there are a lot of mouths to feed in the bears offense now. he could have a solid year but still not be anywhere near rookie of the year convo because his numbers wont be there

Until I see otherwise I am not betting on any single offensive player on the bears to "break out"

 

[knoxville7]

I bet you guys are just a couple dozen posts away from convincing the other guy your speculation for what might happen is completely correct.

gee, nobody could have ever expected you to chime in with your holier than thou act

apologies to you for the rest of us that enjoy discourse on a message board. isnt that what its for??

 

[gallagher]

gee, nobody could have ever expected you to chime in with your holier than thou act

apologies to you for the rest of us that enjoy discourse on a message board. isnt that what its for??

It's a dying art

 

[knoxville7]

It's a dying art

verified by the dicck licker of CCS!

 

[remydat]

quick question...

guys that are rostered on an NFL roster are above average college football players or not? cook is on an NFL roster currently

and you are harping on 1 game against georgia as if that is the only game where he played against a good defense and acting like cook is the only QB to ever miss a throw.

MHJ for example played with QB's that missed throws as well, yet he managed to still dominate good defenses.

luther burden is not the first WR to play with a QB that missed throws sometimes

I never argued about whether he was above average in college. My argument is he isnt on the same level as Burden and all the GA guys that got drafted on Day 1 and 2. He is an UDFA that is a long shot to make a 53 man roster.

Again the topic is whether Burden was shut down or not. Getting open and your QB missing you isnt you getting shut down. It is your QB missing you. That is true whether you are Luther Burden or MHJ. Watching the tape Burden was not shut down or overmatched. He was getting open and his QB was struggling to connect with him.

Like let's make this very simple. If a WR gets open and the QB throws a bad pass, does that mean the CB shut down the WR?

 

[knoxville7]

I never argued about whether he was above average in college. My argument is he isnt on the same level as Burden and all the GA guys that got drafted on Day 1 and 2. He is an UDFA that is a long shot to make a 53 man roster.

Again the topic is whether Burden was shut down or not. Getting open and your QB missing you isnt you getting shut down. It is your QB missing you. That is true whether you are Luther Burden or MHJ. Watching the tape Burden was not shut down or overmatched. He was getting open and his QB was struggling to connect with him.

Like let's make this very simple. If a WR gets open and the QB throws a bad pass, does that mean the CB shut down the WR?

so again, you are focusing on the sample size of 1 game. what about all the rest of the games against good defenses? are we simply only going to blame the QB for every game burden didnt put up numbers? like, a QB/WR connection takes 2 to connect on. it is never 100% one sides fault, we dont live in a world of absolutes.

but hey, we will know for sure in the coming year or two.

i hope burden pans out and becomes a stud. i am merely presenting a reason to pump the brakes is all. everyone can decide for themselves if they think it is a legit concern or not. like we have said, we will know eventually

 

[remydat]

so again, you are focusing on the sample size of 1 game. what about all the rest of the games against good defenses? are we simply only going to blame the QB for every game burden didnt put up numbers? like, a QB/WR connection takes 2 to connect on. it is never 100% one sides fault, we dont live in a world of absolutes.

but hey, we will know for sure in the coming year or two.

i hope burden pans out and becomes a stud. i am merely presenting a reason to pump the brakes is all. everyone can decide for themselves if they think it is a legit concern or not. like we have said, we will know eventually

@WookieOnRitalin specifically mentioned the GA game and the fact Cook missed him a few times so that is why I focused on that. I already conceded this whole argument is small sample size as you are talking like 3 or 4 games in total.

I am blaming the QB for bad passes I actually saw him make per the tape. I dont know what the issue was in the other games but against GA the issue was Cook.

Lassister - 906 snaps as a rookie
Bullard - 816 snaps as a rookie
Smith - 672 snaps as a rookie
Starks - Likely starter at Safety as a rookie for Super Bowl contender.
Cook - UDFA QB that will struggle to make the roster of one of the worst teams in the NFL.

So you had an UDFA QB throwing passes against a GA secondary that had 4 NFL starters in the secondary. That is a mismatch and the tape proves it.

If there are other games you wish to look at then let me know and I will see if I can find the tape for them.

Edit looked at the Tenn game as it was on the same tape. Obviously dont know if he was open and Cook failed to throw but on the passes that were made, not a lot of misses. Burden had a TD but otherwise a quiet game.