Maple Leafs @ Blackhawks 02/29/12

[DewsSox79]

During that slump (when they were 0/31) the Blackhawks had 34 shots at that point. That has very little to do with the guy in front of the goalie and has everything to do with the inability to put shots on net for one reason or another. Also, Brunette is on the 2nd PP unit and not the 1st...once again shouldering less of the blame. He wasn't boxed out every single time, not even close.

sure not every time. His OPS shows that he isnt contributing to many goals. Also he would be a fine player to have, but 2 million for him is a bit much. As I stated during the signing age and regression have shown this year with Brunette. Due to the net presence last night some of you are back on this brunette kick which makes no sense, he isnt very good on ALL front of evaluation. A guy who is above avg behind the net, does not get paid 2 million a year.

Either way there are a handful of games left, and probably a short playoff stint so his career with the hawks is probably over this spring.

 

[HawkWriter]

sure not every time. His OPS shows that he isnt contributing to many goals. Also he would be a fine player to have, but 2 million for him is a bit much. As I stated during the signing age and regression have shown this year with Brunette. Due to the net presence last night some of you are back on this brunette kick which makes no sense, he isnt very good on ALL front of evaluation. A guy who is above avg behind the net, does not get paid 2 million a year.

Either way there are a handful of games left, and probably a short playoff stint so his career with the hawks is probably over this spring.

I'll agree that he won't be back next year, definitely. I could honestly really care less about him being signed for 2 Mil or .500K though because it is a one year contract and his cap hit had no influence on moves that the Blackhawks made or didn't make.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Quick question for people here...does anyone enjoy Konroyd on the telecast?

I don't mind him. He's pretty generic and I don't like some of his analysis, but he's ok. But then again I like Pat and have grown to like Eddie so I'm just a homer idiot meatball when it comes to what I like.

The best thing about Konroyd being in the booth is the distinct cut down on the obnoxious shout outs that Pat and Eddie give. God I hate those and they've gotten completely out of control. They're long, detailed and about weirdly random folks that nobody gives a shit about and Pat glady does them IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMPETITIVE GAME!! Like 1st period, game tied and the play is on... and Pat's giving a 2 minute fucking shout out to some one.

A- knock off the shout outs
B- if you have one that is actually important, save it for intermission or garbage time in the game
C- keep them to like 30 seconds or less

I stopped watching the Kings game the other day because it was so depressing but I went upstairs and flipped on the radio broadcast. With about 4 minutes left on a game that was long since decided, Weideman said "I just want to give a quick shout out to my son... it's his birthday today... happy birthday!". Troy Murray joined in and wished him a happy birthday and that was it.... all done during a break in play.

I wish Pat and Eddy would take notes.

 

[DewsSox79]

konroyd is just there. Eddie O annoys me the most. Foley has gotten a little bit off of his rocker since the dale tallon/foley tandem back in the day. there is too many off topic convos going on that make it annoying. I sync the radio broadcast with the tv, wideman and murray are legit

 

[southern_cross_116]

Well some people were calling him a PP wizard & predicting 25 goals.

He may not even touch 13-14 goals with only 17 to play.

Can't wait for his washed up his ass to leave.

..and at the time I wrote about the guy being a powerplay specialist -it was on the money --- I'm sure he is still up there in pp goals on the Hawks (considering they haven't scored any recently he would have to be).

I also compared his amount of PP goals then with the amounts that had lead the Hawks for the past -don't remember how many seasons but it was more than the past 2 - and what Brunette had then was more than what some seasons' leaders had throughout the entire season.

So that part wasn't wrong then. I never predicted goals -although I probably did pro-rate the then total throughout the season -which of course would beg a recomputation since nothing much has happened in a long time (same goes for the entire PP).

I admit I was wrong about the amount he was signed for - for some reason I thought it was less, but HW points out a valid fact -his amount had no bearing on the cap (and the Hawks had money left -so yes, they could have signed Brouwer if they had decided they wanted him .... they didn't ...it was never an issue of one guy vs another expecting maybe if it was one UFA vs anothers ... and in this case Quenneville chose his guy (when maybe other UFA wingers might have been a better fit). Projective talent analysis seems to be an issue with the suits on this team.

 

[DewsSox79]

..and at the time I wrote about the guy being a powerplay specialist -it was on the money --- I'm sure he is still up there in pp goals on the Hawks (considering they haven't scored any recently he would have to be).

I also compared his amount of PP goals then with the amounts that had lead the Hawks for the past -don't remember how many seasons but it was more than the past 2 - and what Brunette had then was more than what some seasons' leaders had throughout the entire season.

So that part wasn't wrong then. I never predicted goals -although I probably did pro-rate the then total throughout the season -which of course would beg a recomputation since nothing much has happened in a long time (same goes for the entire PP).

I admit I was wrong about the amount he was signed for - for some reason I thought it was less, but HW points out a valid fact -his amount had no bearing on the cap (and the Hawks had money left -so yes, they could have signed Brouwer if they had decided they wanted him .... they didn't ...it was never an issue of one guy vs another expecting maybe if it was one UFA vs anothers ... and in this case Quenneville chose his guy (when maybe other UFA wingers might have been a better fit). Projective talent analysis seems to be an issue with the suits on this team.

Brunette has 4 which ranks 108 in the NHL and Dave Bolland, Toews, have more goals on the PP

 

[HawkWriter]

Brunette has 4 which ranks 108 in the NHL and Dave Bolland, Toews, have more goals on the PP

The fact that Toews only has 1 more goal, Sharp also has 4, and Kane has 3....shows a whole bigger problem than just Brunette on the PP. This team's PP sucks.

Edit: Also, I can guarantee that Toews, Sharp, Kane, Hossa, etc have a whole lot more TOI during the PP than Brunette. So quite frankly, Brunette is probably doing pretty well on the PP considering how much this team sucks. Keith has 1 goal and Seabrook has 1...while Montador has 2 when playing forward. This team just has so many things wrong with the PP.

 

[DewsSox79]

The fact that Toews only has 1 more goal, Sharp also has 4, and Kane has 3....shows a whole bigger problem than just Brunette on the PP. This team's PP sucks.

he isnt the only problem. just saying he shouldnt be on the PP.

 

[HawkWriter]

he isnt the only problem. just saying he shouldnt be on the PP.

How does that show that?

He clearly should be on the PP.

6 on PP TOI for the Blackhawks and tied for 4th in Goals. Who is going to do better than Brunette on the Blackhawks 2nd unit? There isn't anyone to replace him right now. This team has absolutely no net presence, take Brunette out on the PP and I don't even know where that goes.

Also, if we are looking at his rank of 108...that is the same as Dats and 2 more goals than Zetterberg. Brunette is doing his job on the 2nd unit. Unfortunately the team as a whole is a mess.

 

[southern_cross_116]

True enough- he is only on the second powerplay unit, and the unit as a whole stinks. 108th which = a lot of ties - who is tops in the league? Are they on their team's 2nd PP unit- plus the 4 PP goals Brunette had -he had those at the time I wrote that originally -which was maybe a little more than a quarter the way through the season.

Consider that you have a powerplay unit running at a 2.4+% success rate over the last 40 powerplays, that suggests a massive problem, not just some guy dragging down the 2nd powerplay unit. It suggests to me that the specialty teams coach should probably be encouraged to find another line of work -maybe real estate agent.

 

[DewsSox79]

How does that show that?

He clearly should be on the PP.

6 on PP TOI for the Blackhawks and tied for 4th in Goals. Who is going to do better than Brunette on the Blackhawks 2nd unit? There isn't anyone to replace him right now. This team has absolutely no net presence, take Brunette out on the PP and I don't even know where that goes.

Also, if we are looking at his rank of 108...that is the same as Dats and 2 more goals than Zetterberg. Brunette is doing his job on the 2nd unit. Unfortunately the team as a whole is a mess.

ok

with that OPS and DPS you should never be on a PP. The net presence I will disagree on and stand by that as you will stand by your defense of him.

I just find it funny because of 1 screen people are coming back on the Brunette train.

 

[southern_cross_116]

I just find it funny because of 1 screen people are coming back on the Brunette train.

I don't know if I would go that far, at least not so far as I am concerned, I was only acknowledging what I had said earlier, and pointing out that it was being misrepresented is all.

 

[Captain Iago]

True enough- he is only on the second powerplay unit, and the unit as a whole stinks. 108th which = a lot of ties - who is tops in the league? Are they on their team's 2nd PP unit- plus the 4 PP goals Brunette had -he had those at the time I wrote that originally -which was maybe a little more than a quarter the way through the season.

Consider that you have a powerplay unit running at a 2.4+% success rate over the last 40 powerplays, that suggests a massive problem, not just some guy dragging down the 2nd powerpla unit. It suggests to me that the specialty teams coach should probably be encouraged to find another line of work -maybe real estate agent.

For sure. Aside from scheme, those who have played know pp and pk is all about work, guts, heart, etc. This is wherein the players must take some blame as well.

 

[southern_cross_116]

For sure. Aside from scheme, those who have played know pp and pk is all about work, guts, heart, etc. This is wherein the players must take some blame as well.

I think that's right too; take a guy like Bickell -based upon his size alone he should be designated screener guy- work on his tip ins and rebounds, around the net presence - but -then again considering that he isn't a new guy - basically the fact that he doesn't seem to have ever done that equals big guy, with power forward frame that is a dud.

The guy needs to go, or let some other team do the 'oh gosh all he needs is a change of scenery to restart his career' thing.

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More on the Brunette thing - too if I recall the whining at the time, it was about how "Brunette sucked' at the quarter season mark - and I made the comment that based upon the number of power play goals he had then - that it would project out to something like 16 or so over the course of a season -and that based upon that alone, bitching about the guy at that point of the season was completely out of place, so please try to get it right when bringing up past comments -none of which were meant to mean he would get that many, just that there was nothing then to be crying about.

Edited to add: Which isn't meant to imply that there isn't validity to doing it now... hell, I'm doing it now too... so I do get it to an extent.