Marty Reasoner, we hardly knew ye (HAWKS acquire Taffe)

[Guest]

[quote name="Ton"]



Well if you can't understand the simple logic I am presenting I can't help you.



The Hawks had NHL ready forwards in the system that could take over at any point, they no longer have that option anymore. Obviously winning the cup is a big part in this but I am merely pointing out that it will take a few years to return the depth lost -- not in the line-up but in the minors.



I just hope the guys don't become too comfortable, because there is no one else to turn to. I didn't say anyone's spot was in jeopardy, but they did have enough depth to keep everyone on their toes. Easily.[/quote]



Woa there skippy. I think you are 100% backwards. There will be MORE competition this year because they KNOW they actually have a shot in the line up. Verses last year the line up was 100% set going into camp other than Hossa's spot due to injury and Niemi/Crawford, which Salary Cap solved nicely.

 

[PatrickShart]

I agree, RK.



And, essentially...some of the young "vets" to feel pushed as well - Kane, Toews, Bolland....I really think this can be better for them, after winning the cup. There'll be alot of competition - keeping it fresh, where no one will be resting on past performances, there was too much turnover.



I really believe this will turn out much better than some think.

 

[Guest]

Like I said elsewhere I'm just as excited about the team so far this year, than I was last. It's all about the core for me. Maybe I'm wrong but I think the players coming in can be just as good as the players leaving. I think the players leaving benefited from playing with the Core players that are still here. The Core players games, made the others better. No doubt that will continue.



It's all about the injuries for me. We have few and we'll compete all over again.

 

[MassHavoc]

The pressure on this team to produce this year and not look like a fluke flash in the pan is enormous. They now have to prove that they were the best team last year and didn't sacrifice it all just to break the curse. The clusterfuck that would be this team this year should someone not produce, the mad scramble to make moves to cover up the cap missteps and exiting players. The Vets, the guys that were the chosen ones to stay, the core... if you don't think they are going to be putting pressure on these guys each and every night? Well... I hate to think it but these indicated core guys, those were Tallon's core guys. just cause they are locked up don't mean they ain't going anywhere. And we all know how someone loves to make a splash, has he done a trade deadline splash yet?

 

[winos5]

With Bickell signed there are 4 open forward slots. Everyone seems to be pencilling in Skille, Stalberg, and Dowell. What about Taffe, Davis, Makarov, Kruger, Beach, Brophey....



There's @ six weeks until training camp, how about we not jump the gun and assume any of those prospects on 2-way contracts make the team. I see lots of competion during training camp for the remaining slots on 3rd/4th line.



Even more compettion for the 1-2 remaining spots on defense and back-up goalie. If Crawford sucks in camp I could see them giving Toivenen or Richards a look.

 

[KRAZYHWKFAN]

[quote name="winos5"]With Bickell signed there are 4 open forward slots. Everyone seems to be pencilling in Skille, Stalberg, and Dowell. What about Taffe, Davis, Makarov, Kruger, Beach, Brophey....



There's @ six weeks until training camp, how about we not jump the gun and assume any of those prospects on 2-way contracts make the team. I see lots of competion during training camp for the remaining slots on 3rd/4th line.



Even more compettion for the 1-2 remaining spots on defense and back-up goalie. If Crawford sucks in camp I could see them giving Toivenen or Richards a look.[/quote]



I don't see Crawford sucking in camp. IMO he's definatly our backup next year, and if he performs well in camp and Niemi can't be resigned. . .. who knows

 

[DBQHawkFan]

[quote name="winos5"]With Bickell signed there are 4 open forward slots. Everyone seems to be pencilling in Skille, Stalberg, and Dowell. What about Taffe, Davis, Makarov, Kruger, Beach, Brophey....



There's @ six weeks until training camp, how about we not jump the gun and assume any of those prospects on 2-way contracts make the team. I see lots of competion during training camp for the remaining slots on 3rd/4th line.



Even more compettion for the 1-2 remaining spots on defense and back-up goalie. If Crawford sucks in camp I could see them giving Toivenen or Richards a look.[/quote]



Beach's cap hit may well keep him off the big team unless more moves are made. Taffe? If he of 2 points in 21 NHL games makes the the lineup, we could be in trouble. Most people believe that Makarov has a very good chance. His cap hit is good and he didn't have to sign here. He could have stayed in the KHL. He didn't want to play in the AHL, that is why he went back last year. I doubt that changed, so that is why people believe that he was promised something. Possible? Maybe.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="DBQHawkFan"]



Beach's cap hit may well keep him off the big team unless more moves are made. Taffe? If he of 2 points in 21 NHL games makes the the lineup, we could be in trouble. Most people believe that Makarov has a very good chance. His cap hit is good and he didn't have to sign here. He could have stayed in the KHL. He didn't want to play in the AHL, that is why he went back last year. I doubt that changed, so that is why people believe that he was promised something. Possible? Maybe.[/quote]



I'm pretty sure Stan said a couple of times last year Makarov would get a definite shot at making the team. Beach like you said will be a cap casualty. If Niemi signs, Crawford may also be a cap casualty and Toivenen, who I believe makes less, will have a better shot just because of the money. I agree on Taffe, he's an AHLer. Pure money drop there.



I can't wait until training camp. Anyone that doesn't think this is what makes the Salary Cap exciting is crazy. Sure it sucks that many players left, but DEPTH makes every team dangerous to some extent. And they have given the team depth with almost every move so far since the Barker trade.



Whats really strange is I'm usually not this positive before the Season even gets close. Maybe being the CURRENT Stanley Cup Champions helps.



Is it Sept 18th for training camp day yet???

 

[roshinaya]

Krüger has already said that he will be in Sweden next season. Which I think is a good choice.

 

[massivegoonery]

[quote name="KRAZYHWKFAN"]I don't see Crawford sucking in camp. IMO he's definatly our backup next year, and if he performs well in camp and Niemi can't be resigned. . .. who knows[/quote]



Why would Crawford be the backup? Toivonen is cheaper and a better tender.

 

[Maiden]

[quote name="massivegoonery"]



Why would Crawford be the backup? Toivonen is cheaper and a better tender.[/quote]



Did you witness any Rockford games????? There were a ton of beach balls in Toivonen net most nights.

 

[MassHavoc]

[quote name="massivegoonery"]



Why would Crawford be the backup? Toivonen is cheaper and a better tender.[/quote]

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH EPIC first post.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="massivegoonery"]



Why would Crawford be the backup? Toivonen is cheaper and a better tender.[/quote]



about time you meandered over and I'm not so sure about that one.



Career numbers say your nuts.



Toivenen--- Sv% .890 and GAA 3.37



Crawford--- Sv% .915 and GAA 2.60



That's almost a goal less per game. In the 5 games he played with the Hogs, he was 1-4 with a 3.44 GAA and SV% at .883. Sorry I don't buy he's a better goalie. There absolutely NO basis for that comment what so ever.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

Of course there are a lot more jobs open this year than last year. That's obvious. When the bottom guys have to make close to the league minimum, you have to have competition for the positions.



If you just give away jobs to guys how are AHL players, or borderline guys, your asking for big trouble. Scotty and Q know that. There will be a healty competition. And don't be surprised if a guy makes the team based on a good camp, but then cools off and gets sent down for a while. To give someone else an opportunity.



-5Minutes

 

[E Runs]

[quote name="Ton"]



Well if you can't understand the simple logic I am presenting I can't help you.



The Hawks had NHL ready forwards in the system that could take over at any point, they no longer have that option anymore. Obviously winning the cup is a big part in this but I am merely pointing out that it will take a few years to return the depth lost -- not in the line-up but in the minors.



I just hope the guys don't become too comfortable, because there is no one else to turn to. I didn't say anyone's spot was in jeopardy, but they did have enough depth to keep everyone on their toes. Easily.[/quote]

Well it seems RK, pmxc12873, 5Minutes can't follow your "simple logic" either. Hmm...no matter I'm sure it makes sense to you.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="MassHavoc"]

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH EPIC first post.[/quote]



Not really his first post :-D Just first post on the new boards.

 

[massivegoonery]

[quote name="R K"]



about time you meandered over and I'm not so sure about that one.



Career numbers say your nuts.



Toivenen--- Sv% .890 and GAA 3.37



Crawford--- Sv% .915 and GAA 2.60



That's almost a goal less per game. In the 5 games he played with the Hogs, he was 1-4 with a 3.44 GAA and SV% at .883. Sorry I don't buy he's a better goalie. There absolutely NO basis for that comment what so ever.[/quote]



He looked pretty good with the Rivermen last year, even though he was hung out to dry many nights. Toivonen has massive talent but he's a bit of a headcase. Crawford doesn't have the skills but he's better mentally.



Neither of them are very good; the $200k salary differential makes it a no-brainer in my book, at least as it stands now. When the Niemi situation resolves itself, maybe things will change.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="massivegoonery"]



He looked pretty good with the Rivermen last year, even though he was hung out to dry many nights. Toivonen has massive talent but he's a bit of a headcase. Crawford doesn't have the skills but he's better mentally.



Neither of them are very good; the $200k salary differential makes it a no-brainer in my book, at least as it stands now. When the Niemi situation resolves itself, maybe things will change.[/quote]



Hopefully one of them will step up, because one of them will be here. I think Crawford gets the edge but that's also before training Camp. I agree though it could be solved by $$ once again. Just as it was last year.



And that worked out pretty well.

 

[MassHavoc]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



Not really his first post :-D Just first post on the new boards.[/quote]

Yeah but still... count #1, and I believe you mean new new boards.

 

[Ton]

Alright when we are mid-season and someone like Makarov or Skille has trouble producing and we have no one else to take their place don't say I told ya so. The depth isn't there anymore and the options are limited. Doesn't mean we can't compete but its definitely not going to be any easier.



Taffe is an AHL "vet".



Davis hasn't exactly had much time as a pro.



Makarov is one of the guys that is a lock to make the team.



Kruger is going back to Sweden and isn't ready.



Beach's cap hit is too high.



Brophey... he hasn't even adjusted to the AHL yet and still has trouble there.