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"•ESPN's Keith Law (Insider subscription required) loves the trade for the Rays: "they got more for Garza than Kansas City did for Zack Greinke although their package of players is, collectively, further away than what the Royals got." Law had Hak-Ju Lee ranked as the top prospect in Chicago's system and calls the 20-year-old shortstop "the star of the deal" for Tampa Bay.
•The trade is a "slight overpay" for the Cubs, writes Fangraphs' Joe Pawlikowski, but overall he likes the deal. Pawlikowski also cites concerns about how Garza will fare at Wrigley Field given Garza's propensity for giving up fly balls.
•Kevin Kaduk of Yahoo Sports has no problem with the trade itself, but calls Garza just a "Band-Aid" on the Cubs' problems since he doesn't think Chicago is close to contending"
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•The trade is a "slight overpay" for the Cubs, writes Fangraphs' Joe Pawlikowski, but overall he likes the deal. Pawlikowski also cites concerns about how Garza will fare at Wrigley Field given Garza's propensity for giving up fly balls.
•Kevin Kaduk of Yahoo Sports has no problem with the trade itself, but calls Garza just a "Band-Aid" on the Cubs' problems since he doesn't think Chicago is close to contending"
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I dont hate them. I think peope OVERATE them. Garza is old aging? HELL NO. He only 27 and still has 8-10 good years left in him. I dont want to trade prospects for 33 y/o but i do for 25-28 that are proven.
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I never said we got ACE...i think he very good number 2 in NL. Only being 27 he could turn into ACE in NL. Going from ALE to NLC is going to be huge for him.
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Chicago Cubs trade for Matt Garza was their best move for quick improvement - ESPN Chicago
This guy thinks it smart to trade specs for PROVEN PLAYERS...Hendry thinks its smart. XM radio host Duquette thinks its smart. There are different opinions out there. People need to stop bashing me cause i think prospects for big market teams are meant to be traded. Big Market Teams build a farm to trade them for Proven guys. Small Market teams get prospects cause they are cheap for there team. Once a prospect blossums then Big Market (like Cubs) give up prospects for the proven player cause they can afford to pay them. If i followed a small market team then yes my opinion would be different but since i follow a team that is the 3rd largest city in America i expect them to trade for Proven talent to help them win NOW. Cubs should never have to rebuild by going cheap. They are doing rebuilding now while trying to compete. Thats what big market teams do. I dont think this trade makes the Cubs to be the favorites in NLC now. I do think it improves them now where they will compete. If they can get some surprises and lineup can improve i do think they can win this. Having Demp,Garza,Z,Wells, and who ever 5th spot makes it where Cubs can match teams every day. I think with backend of bullpen with Marmol,Wood,Marshall could be one of best in NL. I truly believe if the offense shows up at all they will contend for division or wildcard. Last year Cubs had the worst win % of any team with qualitity starts. I dont see that happening again. I dont see the Cubs having horrible record in 1 run games this year either. So yes with adding Garza i have hope. Day before we got Garza i didnt have much hope.
This guy thinks it smart to trade specs for PROVEN PLAYERS...Hendry thinks its smart. XM radio host Duquette thinks its smart. There are different opinions out there. People need to stop bashing me cause i think prospects for big market teams are meant to be traded. Big Market Teams build a farm to trade them for Proven guys. Small Market teams get prospects cause they are cheap for there team. Once a prospect blossums then Big Market (like Cubs) give up prospects for the proven player cause they can afford to pay them. If i followed a small market team then yes my opinion would be different but since i follow a team that is the 3rd largest city in America i expect them to trade for Proven talent to help them win NOW. Cubs should never have to rebuild by going cheap. They are doing rebuilding now while trying to compete. Thats what big market teams do. I dont think this trade makes the Cubs to be the favorites in NLC now. I do think it improves them now where they will compete. If they can get some surprises and lineup can improve i do think they can win this. Having Demp,Garza,Z,Wells, and who ever 5th spot makes it where Cubs can match teams every day. I think with backend of bullpen with Marmol,Wood,Marshall could be one of best in NL. I truly believe if the offense shows up at all they will contend for division or wildcard. Last year Cubs had the worst win % of any team with qualitity starts. I dont see that happening again. I dont see the Cubs having horrible record in 1 run games this year either. So yes with adding Garza i have hope. Day before we got Garza i didnt have much hope.
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The old aging part had nothing to do with Garza. It was a reply to USC's second part of his post.
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It's not that you should never trade prospects, but you should only do it when actually ready to compete. Cubs aren't quite there yet.
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Hendry and i both believe with Garza they can compete. Garza just not a 1 year rental. Cubs can build around him in the next 3 years. If they like what he does then sign him to extension. Cubs have other SP in minors to replace Acher. Castro younger and proven over Lee, Guyer and Chrinos had no spot on team. SO they traded strength in there system.
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You don't build around a player like Garza, you build around Castro, Colvin, and Cashner. 
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You don't build around a player like Garza, you build around Castro, Colvin, and Cashner.
Garza is a good piece.
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A good piece when Ricky Nolasco, who is a year older than him, already has double digit wins in 4 of his first 5 seasons.
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A good piece when Ricky Nolasco, who is a year older than him, already has double digit wins in 4 of his first 5 seasons.
That means he could pitch like shit and have a crazy offense that can bail him out too.
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A good piece when Ricky Nolasco, who is a year older than him, already has double digit wins in 4 of his first 5 seasons.
I hope Nolasco at least gives you a reach around.
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IK Garza is a piece. But he isn't the centerpiece of the Cubs rebuilding efforts, so you don't build around him, you build your pitching around Cashner, your outfield around Jackson, your power around Colvin, and your team around Castro.
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We dont know if Cashner is someone you build around. Guy had 4.80 ERA in pen last year. Cubs dont even know if this guy will be a SP or RP yet. Garza has proven to be really good MLB SP. Colvin is another guy Cubs dont know what they getting. Could be 265 with 25 HR guy or 240 with 20 HR guy. Colvin a nice piece but not build around type player. SP is what wins and Garza being part of that is a good thing.
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If that is all the Cubs have to build around then it is a sad future for them.
Power around Colvin? Meh
Team around Castro? Young dude needs to try to be a leader before you build a team around him.
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JH used his chips to land garza, I am not saying that he should keep spects and build from within 100%, what i am saying is, keep the spects as chips for deals, GOOD deals, not blow a load on matt garza.
if by some chance garza has a great year this year, look for a heavy raise in arb in 2012. you can potentially be paying alot of dough for him and or not wanting to pay not offering arb.
if by some chance garza has a great year this year, look for a heavy raise in arb in 2012. you can potentially be paying alot of dough for him and or not wanting to pay not offering arb.
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You don't build around a guy that has like 60 IP. You don't build anything around Colvin. He is a 4th OFer.
I see what you are saying, but I like what JH did. He sold high on prospects. He sold high on VERY questionable prospects. Another thing to look at is what else could the Cubs have gotten? There are no other pitchers of Garza's caliber out there. We probably could have gotten Grienke, but I feel like he would have a mental blow up with the media and everything. I'm also wondering if we are going to lock him up to a long term deal this year. I think that would be the best option, get him while his stock is low.
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Colvin's a 4th OF, but Wells is a stud.
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